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Problems Shifting

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#1 ·
Hello All,

My ST is my first manual vehicle as a daily driver. I'm not counting out that this could just be me or something I'm doing wrong. Before someone asks, I do have the clutch all the way to the floor when changing gears. (duh)

I've been noticing this problem getting worse as time goes on and it's especially bad when the transmission is cold, but still happens occasionally when warm. When downshifting 3-2 and going about 20 km/h, I find that it will not go into gear easily at all. There is a lot of resistance and I can feel a cross between grinding and clunking through the shifter. I do not hear anything however. I usually have to try two or three times to get it to go from 3-2 properly. Same thing happens when going about 10 km/h going 2-1. This morning was even worse in that at one point, it would not go into 1st without coming to a complete stop, even when slow rolling.

And then there are the opposite times when I just have to nudge it from 3-2 or 2-1 and it works flawlessly. It's these times that are causing me to doubt myself.

Could this be my technique or just not being good enough at manual? When driving my mother's Camaro I definitely do not have this problem and shifts are silky smooth. So that tells me it might be a problem with my car. I haven't had the time to take it to a dealership just yet but I really trust people on the internet I've never met more than the dealership. (This really shouldn't be the case but it's the reality we live in)

Any ideas are appreciated. Thanks!
 
#3 ·
The ST manual is not the easiest.
The throws are long and the 'gates' can provide some resistance.

My advice: Shift slowly and deliberately and get the feel for the gates. More rpm's always helps also. Get some rhythm, and then start to shift a little quicker til you smooth it out. Kind of like dancing, take your time and it should improve.

Cold Clutches are never any fun on any car. Grabby, abrupt until warm, so go easy cold.
This car has a longer warm-up cycle than most cars due to the 5.7qts of oil, on warm up if you rev it a little to 3500+ ON A LIGHT LOAD(light throttle, no boost gauge movement) that will aid with warm-up, more so for the engine than the trans.

But listen to the next poster who thinks mine is totally wrong!
 
#4 ·
Like Steve said, more rpms help. Check out some rev matching videos for helping with your downshifts.

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#5 ·
It is worrying how you say "grinding" and "getting worse" . It should not grind into gear. And it shouldn't take you several tries to get into gear if you are really driving it as gently as you say. Get it checked out.
I bought mine with 4k mikes on the clock. The previous owner complained of grinding into gear as you describe and the dealer replaced the transaxle. Good luck to you.
 
#6 ·
This is also my first manual car, not just daily driver but first manual ever. I learned with this car so I've had many stalls and miss-shifts through my learning period. But I've never experienced a "grinding" or having the shifter get it stuck when downshifting while properly engaging the clutch, which it seems you are. The only time I have problems shifting gears is when I don't have the clutch pressed down all the way, but you'll obviously know when it happens. Even if you don't match the rpm's when going at speed, the car will give you a jerk but it should still allow the shift when as you engage the clutch. Try having someone else drive the car and see if they feel anything strange downshifting and if they do, get it checked out.
 
#7 ·
I'm definitely going to get someone else to try it out. But it's hard because it really only happens when it's cold. Was doing it again this morning. I've figured out what it feels like. It's like a rapid bumping through the shifter. It's not bumps in the road as I'm going really slow but unless I'm dead stopped, it bumps rapidly through the gear shift and has a lot of resistance until the tranny warms up. I don't think it's anything to do with the clutch as this is completely when it's disengaged. I'm not talking about jerking when downshifting and anything to do with the engine. It's completely transaxle. I'm taking it in soon for the TSB so I'll get them to check it out at the same time. Thanks everyone for your thoughts and insight.
 
#9 · (Edited)
Also dont forget. the brake pedal and clutch pedal need to be used at the same time when braking to a complete stop, otherwise you will stall the motor. this advice is for beginners, the rest of us(or at least i do) downshift til we come to complete stop.

Below is an educational video on how to shift...not granny shifting! ;)


 
#11 ·
Agreed, 1st is so short on this car that the syncros are working really hard to match you going 2-1 at anything faster than a crawl.

If you want more life out of your clutch and are downshifting on a regular basis rev matching is a very valuable skill to learn.