Also, I just noticed there is a data-logging sub-forum now :nerd:

Thank you, ST3 4 ME!

 

I do what I can.

 

I'm feeling pretty froggy today so I may get started on a thread that will combine logging and the ATR tuning guide. I think that will help new people to understand what is going on and why when it comes to reading logs.

 

datazap.me | nathanl91 | focus

ignore logs 18/19 there 3rd gear

log 20 looks good but cylinder 3 is mad lol all other cylinders look great...?

http://www.datazap.me/u/nathanl91/focus-2?log=1&data=3-6-8-9-10-11&mark=68

 

Any input on these guys?


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What type of dyno do you own? Do you have any personal results worth noting? No matter how minor id love to see the differences you exploit on a graph.

How many programmed miles have you logged in your personal ST? Is it just programmed or does it have a few parts?

Do you feel as if you have exploited the programming sufficiently or would you like to see something specific that would make your programming the 'one to go with'.

 

No comment on modifications done or other cars programmed? Im really interested in seeing what you have to offer. Shoot me a Pm if need be, I don't want to be part of a tuner battle here just want to see some results and what work was done to get there!


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I'm not interested in any "battle." If you're looking for some of our results, as well as credentials, take a look at our website, Facebook, google Stratified, etc.

I'm also not into playing games and my contributions here are genuine from my experience and education in this field. When I do have something further to contribute I will post it. If you have anything in particular to comment on regarding what I have posted on this forum, then go ahead - otherwise let's keep this discussion on track and a learning experience for everyone without the drama.

 

Is this the answer most interested parties get? Not really to positive. I googled you, and did not find any relevant information regarding tuning the focus ST. I did find some test drive videos on the focus st and a lot Mazda information. This is a focus st and where you sent me tells me nothing, I didn't need you to tell me to google it as I had already looked you up but did not find dyno's or results. I ultimately want to maximize my power band as much as possible while still remaining on the oem turbo for now. I am a visual learner and tend to reference dyno sheets and area under the curve along with where the power comes on and where it starts to fall off. I am by no means a tuner and never likely will be, which is why I leave that to the pro's. When I have questions I ask and since you are a wealth of knowledge here I figured I would ask the question.

So what gives? Where is the thorn because I offered you to Pm me if you did not want to talk in here about this sort of thing.




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Alex obviously knows his stuff, he's just new to the platform and doesn't want to start showing results until he's comfortable tuning customers' cars. Why all of the sudden aggression towards him?

 

Aggression? I am just asking questions about tuning, dyno's and power numbers. I happen to have ethanol fuel available locally to so that's why I mentioned ethanol programming.

I figured for a vendor here on the forum who is very involved in the discussion of programming that he would have more than just those posts about said programming. I am not attacking anyone but simply asking questions.

If it's a big deal to be curious and interested I'll just buzz off. Thanks for the help....


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You don't have to buzz off Jamie, stay and contribute. I am not selling any calibration services yet for the Focus ST so at this time I won't be able to offer you a custom E85 mix tune to purchase. When it is available, it will have the supporting information you are looking for. These things take some time to fully develop and I am not going to rush it. Until then there are other vendors to purchase from. I do appreciate your interest and hope that in the future we can work together on your tune.

 

C'mon guys, let's get this discussion back on track

 

got my new programming for the new cobb update, here are 3 logs we are starting with. all are logged with shell 93 gas
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5v4g29vd5rlhu6l/log map slot 1(regular 91.csv (regular 91)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uro47pp93hks0x9/log map slot 2(-1 degree of spark).csv (-1 degree of spark)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/khira862ulxuulp/log map slot 3(-2 degree of spark.csv (-2 degrees of spark)

 

It would be great to see all cylinder corrections. However the logs are consistent in that the 91 tune is too aggressive for your fuel and modifications. The -2 degrees base timing tune gets you much closer and the ECU corrects a lot less. However timing changes are not the only way to skin the proverbial cat.

As it sits you will either have to get different fuel or use a tune made for the octane available to you. To completely rule out any hardware issues causing knock, try the E85 test I discussed with you on the 91 tune.

 

If you could use datazap that would help us out tremendously. It's the easiest way for us to view the logs and the only way I can view the logs with my phone.

 

will do that whenever I get back to the house

 

Here are three logs from today. I am running the FSWerks tune. It was really nice today, 62 degrees. I tried to start each pull at 2500 rpm. The ign corr. cyl1 seems a little off to me. Guys take a look, and help me out.

2nd gear datazap.me | crymerge | 2nd gear

3rd gear datazap.me | crymerge | 3rd gear

4th gear datazap.me | crymerge | 4th gear

 

More info would be great to include in the logs such as charge air temp, ignition timing, load. There's no need for the raw knock sensor outputs, grill shutters, or gear. Also post your modifications.

 

Okay, I didn't like driving my car around knowing it had fuel that wasn't playing well with the current tune (despite the fuel tank being only half empty) so I decided to top it off with some Shell V-Power 92 octane to see if it made an improvement. After looking at the datalogs it seems to have helped. It doesn't seem to be pulling as much timing as before (when I was running 100% Exxon 92 octane).

View attachment 4th gear pulls Mixed Shell VPower and Exxon 92.zip

When this tank of fuel is almost empty I'll take some more logs running 100% Shell V-Power to see if it further improves.

My car is stock running the 91 FSWerks tune. The temp outside for every 4th gear datalog I've done (so far) has been between 30-34*F. One of the recent datalogs starts a bit late--I didn't give the AccessPort enough time to initialize--so it starts around 4000 RPM instead of 2000 RPM like the other logs.

 

Okay, I didn't like driving my car around knowing it had fuel that wasn't playing well with the current tune (despite the fuel tank being only half empty) so I decided to top it off with some Shell V-Power 92 octane to see if it made an improvement. After looking at the datalogs it seems to have helped. It doesn't seem to be pulling as much timing as before (when I was running 100% Exxon 92 octane).

View attachment 33019

When this tank of fuel is almost empty I'll take some more logs running 100% Shell V-Power to see if it further improves.

My car is stock running the 91 FSWerks tune. The temp outside for every 4th gear datalog I've done (so far) has been between 30-34*F. One of the recent datalogs starts a bit late--I didn't give the AccessPort enough time to initialize--so it starts around 4000 RPM instead of 2000 RPM like the other logs.

I'd like to see how it looks with a full tank of the good fuel. Also, you should really log the Octane Adjust Ratio Learned instead of the other Octane Adjust variants you chose.

 

hoping you guys could look at this and give me some insight! all mods are in my sig.thanks!
View attachment 93 4thgr 1.csv.zip

 

hoping you guys could look at this and give me some insight! all mods are in my sig.thanks!
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Looks pretty good overall. You should log Cyl 3 and 4 Ign Correction to make certain.
Dont bother logging more worthless things like Grill shutter.


A bit OT and a more general statement: I really don't care for running the same boost regardless of CAT. A true Torque based boost control, that maintains a consistent mass air flow, would have lower boost with cool temps and higher boost when temps heat up. 22psi of boost at 24F is a crap ton more air than at 90F

 

^^^ Right, you've got it now.

 

Well that just trashes everything I've been working on the last few days.



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Well that just trashes everything I've been working on the last few days.

Why's that?

 

So does that mean it would be easier to use the stock mapping (torque based) instead of Cobbs logic in their OTS maps as a starting point?
I had that thought before actually. Take the stock map and raise the limiters to reflect S3 output numbers, and start tweaking from there.
Although at this point, as a novice, tweaking an OTS map seems a bit easier.



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It is easier to tweak the OTS map and especially if you want to use map switching which changes the boost tables and not load. Like I mentioned on a maxed out turbo like a K03 it is not as consequential but on a larger turbos it will play a bigger role. For ease of tuning at this point in your case I would stick with what you have.

 

Here are a couple of logs from today. 2nd-4th WOT both logs.
93 Oct
View attachment datalog2.zip View attachment datalog3.zip
or
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_9rGonTG1m2M0pyTS05S2p4SXc&usp=sharing

-V5A tune
-Unleashed 3" Catless Downpipe
-Cobb Turbo Inlet Tube
-Cobb Air Filter
-2.5" Exhaust with 1 resonator
-Brisk Plugs (1 step colder) @ .029

 

Here are a couple of logs from today. 2nd-4th WOT both logs.
93 Oct
View attachment 33782 View attachment 33783
or
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_9rGonTG1m2M0pyTS05S2p4SXc&usp=sharing

-V5A tune
-Unleashed 3" Catless Downpipe
-Cobb Turbo Inlet Tube
-Cobb Air Filter
-2.5" Exhaust with 1 resonator
-Brisk Plugs (1 step colder) @ .029

It looks like you have wheelspin in 2nd gear? The timing is pulled way down into negative advance and I assume this is traction control coming into play.
The knock retard variable does not change throughout the log. Is it possible that this variable is actually the Oct Adjust Ratio? The ECU in this car pulls timing on a per cylinder basis so each cylinder will have its own timing correction.

 

Yes, I just went through the availble PIDs and do not see a choice for separate cylinder ks logging. Unless I am doing something wrong.
I hooked up my laptop to tool and tool to the OBD2. Select "I want create a data log file", then I check communication and validate all PIDs. It gives me a list of 119 PIDs I can select and none are per CYL KS. I only see the one KS.

Edit-There must be another way to create config files because some of the things my tuner has me log I do not see in the PIDs I can select if I were to create my own config file for logging.

 

Yes, I just went through the availble PIDs and do not see a choice for separate cylinder ks logging. Unless I am doing something wrong.
I hooked up my laptop to tool and tool to the OBD2. Select "I want create a data log file", then I check communication and validate all PIDs. It gives me a list of 119 PIDs I can select and none are per CYL KS. I only see the one KS.

They might have a different name like cylinder correction. Is there a document that you can link to with the SCT software?

 

You can acutally download the livelink software and play with it. You do not have to have a controller connected to pull a list of availble PIDs.

SCT Performance - LiveLink Datalogging Software Updated

After you select "I want to create a datalog file..."
Select "vehicle is not available", click continue. Next, make sure "do not validate PIDs" radio button is highlighted.
There are actually more PID choices this way, but I still do not see per Cyl KS or per Cyl correction etc. Only thing I can find is spark duration for each cylinder.

 

You can somewhat determine what the cylinders are doing using this per cylinder duration and requested or base timing advance. Since these parameters are named differently by different companies, you will have to take some logs with the per cylinder spark duration to see what they mean.

 

I filled up with Shell 92 V-Power when I had less than a quarter tank of the mixed Shell/Exxon gas in the tank (so now it should be at least 90% Shell fuel). My car was pulling timing when I was using the Exxon fuel.

I noticed in the first datalog that I was still getting some negative correction. I'm assuming this was because the car was still burning the last bit of Exxon fuel. The next two consecutive pulls seemed to have much better results (more positive correction with almost no negative).

My car is stock and I'm running the FSWerks 91 octane tune. I did update the firmware on the AP V2 so this is a new version of the map.

View attachment 4th gear pulls Shell 92 Vpower.zip

 

Just tired to play with the per cylinder spark durations and it wouldn't load the PIDs when hooked up to the car (SCT LiveLink). Bummer.

 

Just got ATR might mess around with it now so will post up logs soon

 

Here is my data log. Not sure if I did it right. Used the default settings as adding more the COBB said it was out of space to log.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_WWizXGZ8WaTEFhMXBfUGM5ak0/edit?usp=sharing

 

You have very good fuel and a good amount of room for more performance based on that log. That being said, take another log and start at 2500 RPM this time.

 

Yea I swore I started at 2k. Is there a delay when you hit ok and it starts recording? V2

 

After you hit the centre button, wait for the parameter you are watching to start updating with Logging being displayed. This is when it is actually logging.