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I'm all for it if you are OP. Dont let the 6 speed nutswingers get you down. Most of them probably arent very good drivers anyway. They just feel obligated to say " STICK OR NOTHING! " because of what the car society has melted into our brains. You drive a Focus, dont get so bent up over the transmission.

Document and share with the forums everything you've learned and im sure people will be grateful then. Best of luck.
 
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Why are so many people bent out of shape about shifting speed or an automatic being faster? It's not always about speed. It's about fun. It's kinda common sense that an automatic will shift faster. If you use paddle shifters it even shifts when you want it to. However, unless you go around clicking paddles all day (which to me always felt awkward since I don't put my hands where the paddles are and would have to move them to shift up or down) you probably let the car shift on it's own. Is that fine? Sure it is. However, the car won't always be in the gear you want it to be. There are times I just leave my car in a lower gear and run it up to 4-5k going from light to light just to hear it scream at me and I'm too lazy to shift. I couldn't give a rats ass about shift times. I care about it being fun. The ST in no way shape or form a fast car, and an automatic wouldn't make it much faster. It's not really meant to be fast. It's mildly hotted up plain Jane econobox that can rip around curves if you want it to and is fun to drive, but you can still go to Home Depot on the weekend and load the back down with all the stuff you need to do some work around the house, then go get groceries and have the food strewn all over the hatch since you took turns too fast going home.
 
No thats fact.
Its not quite biased, so much as incomplete.

There are a few types of "automatics" in todays world. You've got planetary gear, electronically operated manual (DCT and SCT), and CVT in most cars now.

The traditional hydraulic planetary gear transmission. These is what you see in most automatic cars. And aside from very few exceptions, this transmission offers horribly sloppy control over the gearing. If you want to downshift, they don't rev-match, they don't do it smoothly, and often times the programming allows them to do a sudden downshift mid-corner, and will upset the chassis balance. A planetary gear transmission requires constant fluid pressure to hold the car in gear, this produces heat. The more power the transmission is required to hold, the more heat it produces and the more wear you get on the clutch packs. Also, when the torque converter isn't locked up its producing extra heat as well. So you need Good fluid and cooling to make these last. But when properly built, they beat the pants off every other transmission for pure acceleration.

The new auto's are Electric clutch operated Single and Dual manual designs. Single is just like your regular manual transmission, except a computer operates the clutch application as well as shift forks. I've been in a car equipped with a SCT, notably a Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera, its like a kick in the head every shift. Its never comfortable, and its only marginally faster than a good driver. It does however offer more consistent performance.

The DCT transmission we have come to know and love is equipped with two main shafts, one for even gears, and one for odd gears. It also has two clutches. The computer predicts which gear you will choose next and automatically shifts the next gear. However, because its a dual mainshaft, if you are in say 2nd, and accelerating, 3rd gear is already preselected. And when you command the upshift all it does is disengage the even gear clutch, while applying the odd gear clutch. The shift is much faster. Upon completion of the shift, the transmission then queues up 4th gear so its already engaged while the even clutch is disengaged. If however, you surprise the transmission it needs to queue up 2nd gear again, so you can catch them out occasionally. However as fast as these respond, its difficult to do, especially with modern ones.

CVT is quite frankly a good idea on paper, great even. However the belt systems have proven problematic to big power or high torque applications. Best to limit it to small economy cars for now.
 
Regarding why an automatic in an ST isn't the best idea? (@st34me). Well the dual clutch 7 speed Getrag in a BMW costs about 16k to replace and yeah a 7 speed dual clutch would be very cool but super expensive. There seems to be a hot debate over manual versus automatic but I have always driven a MAnual transmission. The wife's car is a fusion with the automatic and it isn't too bad but it definitely has a torque converter. Lots of heat wasted that could be used to propel the car forward. My last car was a 5 speed 1991 SE-R so the ST having a Getrag 6-speed manual is cool. My friend bought a BMW with the 7 speed manual shifting automatic but I personally would have bought that car with the manual, if I were to buy one. But they are hard to find on the used market.for the price it is still debate able whether or not manual or automatic is better overall because the manual is cheaper to buy and cheaper to fix at present.
 
Regarding why an automatic in an ST isn't the best idea? (@st34me). Well the dual clutch 7 speed Getrag in a BMW costs about 16k to replace and yeah a 7 speed dual clutch would be very cool but super expensive. There seems to be a hot debate over manual versus automatic but I have always driven a MAnual transmission. The wife's car is a fusion with the automatic and it isn't too bad but it definitely has a torque converter. Lots of heat wasted that could be used to propel the car forward. My last car was a 5 speed 1991 SE-R so the ST having a Getrag 6-speed manual is cool. My friend bought a BMW with the 7 speed manual shifting automatic but I personally would have bought that car with the manual, if I were to buy one. But they are hard to find on the used market.for the price it is still debate able whether or not manual or automatic is better overall because the manual is cheaper to buy and cheaper to fix at present.
that is my only issue with DCT's right now. They are expensive to fix. But they are a fairly recent transmission that until now has mostly been restricted to exotic and race cars.

If anyone wants to see why they aren't the best choice, look at Ford's issues with their Powershift transmission in the economy models. They are DCT transmissions, and people are having issues with them.
 
Why not buy a self driving FoST? NEVER! For some a clutch is a pain while for others it's an absolute joy. I've had knee issues but I still enjoy the feel of a clutch, a soft one, mind you in the FoST...unlike some of the Mustang Cobra clutches I've had in the past.
 
Regarding why an automatic in an ST isn't the best idea? (@st34me). Well the dual clutch 7 speed Getrag in a BMW costs about 16k to replace and yeah a 7 speed dual clutch would be very cool but super expensive. There seems to be a hot debate over manual versus automatic but I have always driven a MAnual transmission. The wife's car is a fusion with the automatic and it isn't too bad but it definitely has a torque converter. Lots of heat wasted that could be used to propel the car forward. My last car was a 5 speed 1991 SE-R so the ST having a Getrag 6-speed manual is cool. My friend bought a BMW with the 7 speed manual shifting automatic but I personally would have bought that car with the manual, if I were to buy one. But they are hard to find on the used market.for the price it is still debate able whether or not manual or automatic is better overall because the manual is cheaper to buy and cheaper to fix at present.
Except it is prone to failure and you can only replace the entire unit, not individual parts. Ask me how I know. Also failure of a first gear synchro is very suspect as to quality, especially since I don't and never will shift into first.
 
This one time I had a automatic ranger with 36" tires on it. When I bought the thing the owner said the auto tranny was freshly rebuilt. It shifted wonderfully smooth no issues, one of the days i was jumping train tracks with it and the thing shifted while I was landing. It shifted funny ever since then until it stopped shifting. I went to the junkyard and paid 200 bucks for a manual tranny out of a smashed up truck. I shifted each gear and spun the input shaft, it seemed smooth. $500 into a whole new assembly for the manual transmission and everything to make it work and now I jump train tracks reliably. Get the focus auto tranny from the 2.0l hook it up, buy a tuner and a data-cable and have at getting the settings right. You could be a pioneer!
 
No thats fact.
That article doesn't cite any facts, just a ton of opinions. Where are the numbers? road-tests? experiments? Sorry, no facts there.

and don't forget the subtitle of the article is for the Restoration Enthusiast.... Yes, if you're rebuilding a 1949 Ford you're going to take out the original flat-head V8 and put in a small block Chevy and an automatic transmission because a 3-speed shift on the column with a pushbutton overdrive designed in the late 30s is NOT faster than the alternative.
that's apples and oranges with more current technology.

(and whoever asked about the Hellcat - the Charger is Auto only, the Challenger is 6MT or Auto)

I don't think most of us are hating on the OP, just questioning the premise, which is what happens when you post something like this in a forum for fanatics... If I had that time and money to burn I'd put it into a half-dozen track days and some new tires/brakes as a result. If OP has a boatload of patience and a pile of cash to put into this then it could be interesting as a custom project, good luck!
 
That article doesn't cite any facts, just a ton of opinions. Where are the numbers? road-tests? experiments? Sorry, no facts there.

and don't forget the subtitle of the article is for the Restoration Enthusiast.... Yes, if you're rebuilding a 1949 Ford you're going to take out the original flat-head V8 and put in a small block Chevy and an automatic transmission because a 3-speed shift on the column with a pushbutton overdrive designed in the late 30s is NOT faster than the alternative.
that's apples and oranges with more current technology.

(and whoever asked about the Hellcat - the Charger is Auto only, the Challenger is 6MT or Auto)

I don't think most of us are hating on the OP, just questioning the premise, which is what happens when you post something like this in a forum for fanatics... If I had that time and money to burn I'd put it into a half-dozen track days and some new tires/brakes as a result. If OP has a boatload of patience and a pile of cash to put into this then it could be interesting as a custom project, good luck!
There's many articles and test just like that refer to modern applications.
 
Jesus Christ, so much hate over something that literally effects nobody but the person who owns the car.

Judging by the comments, most people here are 16 year old high school juniors who just got their first manual transmission and watched the fast and the furious and think it's mad tyte hella manly to shift and wear Dane Cook shirts.

Anyway OP, it'll likely be ridiculously expensive. As stated, you'd be in a much better spot, financially and reliability wise, to sell the focus and find a similar car available with an automatic.
You're a sensitive one aren't you? LOL
 
There's many articles and test just like that refer to modern applications.
... and so many track records that belong to manual cars.
Motor Trend (known for stroking high-tech and easy to drive cars) at Laguna Seca - All of the top 4 and 7/10 top 10 lap times are held by (American) Manuals. Laguna Lap | Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca Fastest Lap Road Tests - Motor Trend Magazine

VIR, Road Atlanta, Miller, Texas World, Nelson Ledges, Lime Rock, Las Vegas, Gingerman, Top Gear USA, The list goes on...

You need to spend Porsche 918 or McLaren P1 kind of money to consistently out-perform good old manuals. To any reasonable person that's still apples and oranges.
 
stuff like this is what makes this forum so much fun!
 
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Honestly through, My brother won't consider an ST or RS Focus because there is no auto option, he has ordered a A45 Merc for this raeson. He loves manuals and has musle cars in the garage, but as a daily perfers the auto for what it offers. Ther is room for both.
 
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