[AK2112]

That is the first I've ever heard of that.

Than you

 

[scarlett007]

2015+ they added that sensor on the valve cover CCV hose, and it was suggested (although maybe not reputably confirmed) that this sensor pulls timing when PCV flow reverses and turbo starts sucking oil (vapors). Has that been explored by anyone? Haven't seen it mentioned, just trying to be helpful.

More info on this would be appreciated pls. Pics?

 

[yanktnk]

Update

Heard from Ford again.

In the span of a week, we've gone from 'hey, engineers figured it out and you're dealer is going to call you to set up an appointment' to...

"we need to see the vehicle in the dealership to gather more information"

Complete bull****.

The last time they had my car, they had it for 18 days. They took 40 miles of varied-driving flight recorder data and they also experienced the car misfiring on every single cold start. How they could possibly need more data is beyond me.

This is an embarrassment.

Your in Naperville right? I should have brought mine by and they could've had 2 cars their with the issue


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[AK2112]

Your in Naperville right? I should have brought mine by and they could've had 2 cars their with the issue


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Yup.

And they've had a few come in and out of there with the same problem. The last time my car was there, they actually had 2 different cars come in with the problem.

They're good at Fair Oaks. No complaints with how they've handled this whole situation.

 

[Blackula]

More info in this would be appreciated pls. Pics?

 

[svazquez624]

UPDATE

Took my car in yesterday because a Ford Engineer was coming out to my dealer to look at it. Just got a call from my service writer who has been great throughout all this nonsense and he let me know what's up.

First off- the story I posted a while back that Ford supposedly had an affected 2015 ST shipped to Dearborn so Ford could do a tear down on it... that was true. It was confirmed today. The engineer who looked at my car today is going to compare stuff on my car to the car they have in Dearborn and then get back to me/the dealership.

Here's the kicker though...

He wants to replace the head

Jesus christ. I explained that this has been done to countless STs with this problem and it has NEVER solved it.

Yeah they replaced the head on mine along with a slew of other things. Then a week later the throttle body went and had to get replaced, completely unrelated to the misfire issue. If that isn't a sign to get out of this car Idk what is. I am working on getting the car bought back as a lemon as Ford has denied purchasing my car back. They also offered no extended warranty, no "I'm sorry about this", just a rude service rep who dodged every question I had and ignored pretty much anything I brought up. Might as well have been talking to a brick wall at that point.

If this lemon law pulls through I can guarantee it'll take a long time before I consider any product from Ford again.

 

[scarlett007]

I'm busy testing valve clearances on two heads and will see if its not that. I never had this problem on my low compression build, but since I've put in the OEM compression forged build mine has started doing this randomly.

 

[AK2112]

Yeah they replaced the head on mine along with a slew of other things. Then a week later the throttle body went and had to get replaced, completely unrelated to the misfire issue. If that isn't a sign to get out of this car Idk what is. I am working on getting the car bought back as a lemon as Ford has denied purchasing my car back. They also offered no extended warranty, no "I'm sorry about this", just a rude service rep who dodged every question I had and ignored pretty much anything I brought up. Might as well have been talking to a brick wall at that point.

If this lemon law pulls through I can guarantee it'll take a long time before I consider any product from Ford again.

Lawyer up and good luck.

If your state lemon law is weak, don't overlook the federal warranty act.

 

[Smitt3n]

7000 miles after my last check engine light and it's back on, 4th time for me. I was hoping that I was in the clear finally!

Less than 3000 miles left on my warranty, I might buy an extended warranty now.

 

[AK2112]

You have a 2015 that's almost out of warranty?

Damn.

I'd advise against paying for the extended warranty

 

[AK2112]

UPDATE

My dealership called me just now. You will not believe this.

So they had a field engineer look at my car. He was out there last Wednesday and he checked things out... collected some more data, etc.

My service writer Mark tells me that this engineer wants to swap the spark plug and injector on cylinder one with cylinder 4 to see if that changes anything.

If you've been following along- this is something that was done MONTHS AGO! Not only was the old "swap plugs and injectors around" done, but I've had all 4 injectors and plugs flat out replaced back in November of 2015!

This ****ing engineer has NO CLUE what to do. My dealership told him "uh, yeah... we did that a long time ago".

So...

They're going to try a new cylinder head. Greaaaaat. The best part is- the engineer says "well, the new head has solved this issue for some people". Incredible. It works for some people. What about everyone else? They have NO IDEA WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

But wait.

It gets better...

My guy at Fair Oaks Ford has to do a cost analysis of this head replacement. He flat out told me- after he runs the numbers, Ford may just end up telling him to replace the short block too


This is a nightmare.

I'm looking at at least 2 more weeks without my car... and they've already had it for 6 days on this latest run.

This car is awful.

 

[AK2112]

Where's my man @tpiechow ?

 

[tpiechow]

Wow, I haven't followed up on this thread in a long time. Completely forgot about this one.

Fun fact, just rolled over 10,000 miles with no issues what-so-ever. I guess commuting 400 miles a week as hard as I can possible push the car has kept me immune to this misfire gremlin. I highly recommend trying that out!

And looks like the FSE (field service engineer) is not hip to the hop on the Ecoboost engines. You are not supposed to swap injectors as you automatically have to replace the seals. So replace the injector or leave it alone. So I don't agree with that. I also don't agree with swapping the plug since that has been done who knows how many times on how many vehicles. So the FSE must be trying to start at square one with diagnostics, he's probably never heard of this problem. Not helpful at this point.

And whoever told you that "after I run the number's, Ford just may tell them to replace the short block as well" is going on the list of morons along with the FSE. This "running the numbers" is just a cost cap tool. You determine what parts need to be replaced and the cost cap tool calculates how much it costs for the part, labor, miscellaneous parts,etc. Then compares that to the cost of replacing a long block, then gives a repair or replace decision.

So you should not be performing the cost cap tool if you are only replacing the head. So he is wrong there. Also, there is no calculator on the planet that is going to say is more effective to replace the short block over just the head. So he is wrong there. Also, in that case Ford wouldn't be telling him what to replace. If he had determined that the long block is more cost effective (which it's not), he would be applying for Prior Approval from Ford.

Which means that the dealer determined what that replacement of the long block is the most cost effective repair direction that they are looking for the Powertrain Prior Approval Team to make sure it's warrantable. Dealer decision, not Ford telling them what to replace. Moron. Also, when it comes to the cost cap tool, they should not be adding any components that have already been replaced.

So sounds like you got the short end of the stick and not only got a stupid dealer, but and FSE that has no idea what is going on. So you got two options. Let them replace the whatever they want or go for buy-back. Either way, your whining and crying isn't doing anyone any good and it sure as hell not getting your car fixed.

 

[AK2112]

You confirmed exactly what I thought. Thank you.

I will say- I don't believe it's the dealer. My writer and the tech are right there with me (not just to appease me) and I'm highly inclined to believe them when they say Ford is driving the ship with this thing. Ford has been in charge since all 4 injectors were replaced. They're both frustrated with what the repair hotline and now this ridiculous engineer is telling them to do. We all agreed that this field engineer was a complete disaster (seriously... nobody could believe he recommended the "swap **** around" idea) and he's the one pushing for first the head and now possibly head+shortblock (longblock).

I may have mis-spoke (mis-quoted) when I mentioned the whole cost effective bit simply because I was so taken aback by what I was hearing at the time. I'll be hearing back from the dealer tomorrow and will ask more about the logic behind all this ****.

It's legitimately astounding how awful Ford is handling this. They're flat out telling me that they don't know the cause of this issue but they can say that a new cylinder head has 'fixed it' for 'some owners'. Like, you can't make this kind of stupidity up. It's unfathomable.

Buy-back isn't an option. I have an attorney.

 

[AK2112]

Oh, and it's cute that your hard commuting (what?) is keeping your super sweet car trouble free.

10,000 miles is quite an achievement. Ford should make a commercial about that.

 

[tpiechow]

Oh, and it's cute that your hard commuting (what?) is keeping your super sweet car trouble free.

10,000 miles is quite an achievement. Ford should make a commercial about that.

Yes I am quite surprised that I was able to put 10K on my ST in 5 months. But I was joking about the hard commuting. I mean I do run the ever living s*** out of my car every time I get in it and I do drive over 400 miles a week. But I don't think that has anything to do with the misfire you guys are experiencing.

Unless no one else has experienced misfires and has driven as many miles in such a short period of time? Carbon build up is much less likely the harder you drive your vehicle. If you baby an ST or only drive it short periods of time/part time, you are going to have issues with carbon.

Now I am with you about this being ridiculous, this should not be going on for this long. But I just want to point out that the Hotline and the FSE are only there to perform normal diagnostics that is published. They are not allowed to go above or beyond that. So I can see why the Hotline and FSE are frustrating but there is only so much they can do.

And that is with any case. If anyone is told by a dealer that they are contacting the Hotline or Engineering, it means that they don't know how to perform normal diagnostics. The hotline should not be contacted until all possible causes have been replaced based on normal diagnostics.

It's up to actual engineers who designed the car to document what has been done and what is going to need to be done to fix the vehicle. Even the FSE may have no idea that engineering is involved unless they specifically look. I would imagine most of the time they don't since it's not a common thing.

It is possible that even the smartest people at Ford are not going to be able to figure this out. It is possible that this is just the weirdest one off and the root cause will never be determined. Look at the 1.6L Escape engine.

The 1.6L engine was plagued with coolant intrusion issues. When I worked at the Hotline, the repair direction changed almost weekly because the engineers where doing everything in their power to determine the root cause and fix it once and for all.

After a year or two of trying, they were never able to fix it. Couldn't figure out what it was. So the solution ended up being to discontinue the 1.6L which is now replaced by the 1.5L. So not saying that is what is going to happen in this case, but just to show how some things are more difficult than they seem to figure out.

I've said before that I empathize with the frustration of this issue and I wouldn't want anyone to experience this. But at this point it's either buy back/lemon law or just ride it out until a solution is found. Which is hopefully sooner than later.

As far as my words towards your dealer, they may have been a bit harsh. But after working at the Hotline and talking to 30-40 dealers a day for years you have a tendency to notice that most dealers just don't know how to dealer.

So I feel as though you may not have mis-heard your adviser but I would be willing to bet that his version of this process is not quite right. You would be surprised (well maybe not) how many times dealers screw up behind the scenes.

I won't defend Ford to you guys anymore, this has gone on too long. But I will say that if engineering and diagnostics were that easy, we would all be doing it.

 

[Blackula]

Oh, and it's cute that your hard commuting (what?) is keeping your super sweet car trouble free.

10,000 miles is quite an achievement. Ford should make a commercial about that.

I feel for you man, I really do. There's no reason to rub it in your face. My ST just idle shuddered for only the second time (7k miles) pulling up to a stop w/ AC, I've posted on that thread but is it related to this? I don't have an accessport to monitor misfires.

 

[tpiechow]

I feel for you man, I really do. There's no reason to rub it in your face. My ST just idle shuddered for only the second time (7k miles) pulling up to a stop w/ AC, I've posted on that thread but is it related to this? I don't have an accessport to monitor misfires.

No that is a different concern and there is a TSB for that. TSB 16-0025.

2.0L GTDI - MAY EXPERIENCE IDLE SPEED DIPS - POSSIBLE MIL - DTCS P2610 AND/OR P08B9
Publication Date: February 26, 2016

FORD: 2015-2016 Focus
ISSUE:
Some 2015-2016 Focus ST vehicles equipped with 2.0L Gasoline Turbocharged Direct Injection (GTDI) engine may exhibit an engine speed dip with or without an illuminated malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) and/or diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) P2610 and/or P08B9 stored in powertrain control module (PCM) memory.
ACTION:
Reprogram the PCM to the latest calibration using IDS release 99.02 or higher. Make sure you are connected to the internet when entering module programming to obtain the latest updates. Calibration files may also be obtained at www.motorcraftservice.com.

 

[MBono]

No that is a different concern and there is a TSB for that. TSB 16-0025.

2.0L GTDI - MAY EXPERIENCE IDLE SPEED DIPS - POSSIBLE MIL - DTCS P2610 AND/OR P08B9
Publication Date: February 26, 2016

FORD: 2015-2016 Focus
ISSUE:
Some 2015-2016 Focus ST vehicles equipped with 2.0L Gasoline Turbocharged Direct Injection (GTDI) engine may exhibit an engine speed dip with or without an illuminated malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) and/or diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) P2610 and/or P08B9 stored in powertrain control module (PCM) memory.
ACTION:
Reprogram the PCM to the latest calibration using IDS release 99.02 or higher. Make sure you are connected to the internet when entering module programming to obtain the latest updates. Calibration files may also be obtained at www.motorcraftservice.com.

Just had this done on my '16, and it appears to have worked. 600+ miles since the update, and no shudder.

 

[qwikslvr]

I commute approximately 150mi a day 4-5 days a week (2015 ST 37k bought new 6/5/15). Car still misfires and idle dips/hunts in traffic and coming to a stop. Almost stalled out quite a few times in heavy traffic. Tried new plugs, helped for a week.

Light hasn't come on in a while, but the car still runs like poop.


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