[frozen_blue]

@Richard@Aquamist I'm confusing myself on the nozzle size. I plan to get your HSF3 and port inject it via a manifold spacer. This is for a GTX2867 that I'm hoping to get 425whp out of. What size nozzles will I need to get to port inject it? I know the 5th nozzle located after the intercooler is double the size of the port nozzles. Thanks.

Edit-Can I get the sizes for a 50/50 mix and for 100% meth?

 

[lolibater]

Just so everyone knows, the issue was the the installer placed the sealing gaskets backwards as well as over-tightened the nut on the level sensor. This led to the gasket becoming a bit deformed, then cracked, then the leak happened. Here's some pics.

We have since installed the gaskets correctly, and have tightened the nut correctly. I've been driving it all week and have had no leaking whatsoever. I wonder how long it will be before I don't feel that I have to check this daily...
Either way, just a warning to you to make sure you follow the damn directions! Imagine that?!

 

[lolibater]

On a stock turbo setup, what is the lowest threshold setting that you would deem safe? I don't mind using/buying more methanol, I just want this to be as effective as possible.

 

[Richard@Aquamist]

Thanks for the gasket update.

This question would be best answered by the person who tunes the car. Is the system triggered by boost or IDC?

 

[frozen_blue]

Thanks for the gasket update.

This question would be best answered by the person who tunes the car. Is the system triggered by boost or IDC?

Me or lolibater?

 

[Richard@Aquamist]

@Richard@Aquamist I'm confusing myself on the nozzle size. I plan to get your HSF3 and port inject it via a manifold spacer. This is for a GTX2867 that I'm hoping to get 425whp out of. What size nozzles will I need to get to port inject it? I know the 5th nozzle located after the intercooler is double the size of the port nozzles. Thanks.

Edit-Can I get the sizes for a 50/50 mix and for 100% meth?

Sorry, I haven't been clear, the last post was for lolibater.

The size 5th nozzle supplements the fixed 4x 0.4mm port nozzles to match the engine power. The ratio is not fixed.
We offer three versions of 0.4mm nozzles, 85cc, 110cc and 140cc with A, B and C suffix respectively.

You first work out the total flow requirement for your power based on the following:
- M50/W50 ................. x1.5cc/hp
- M100 ................... x2.0cc/hp

For example, your power of 425whp will require 640cc/min and 850cc/min for 100% methanol. Note this is the just and starting point, you can have less or more depends on your tune. The ratio of the port and 5th nozzle will depend on your the seasonal temperature of the location.

If you require the wmi to supplement fuel, read this. (post 430)

I believe you already have an wmi system?

 

[frozen_blue]

Sorry, I haven't been clear, the last post was for lolibater.

The size 5th nozzle supplements the fixed 4x 0.4mm port nozzles to match the engine power. The ratio is not fixed.
We offer three versions of 0.4mm nozzles, 85cc, 110cc and 140cc with A, B and C suffix respectively.

You first work out the total flow requirement for your power based on the following:
- M50/W50 ................. x1.5cc/hp
- M100 ................... x2.0cc/hp

For example, your power of 425whp will require 640cc/min and 850cc/min for 100% methanol. Note this is the just and starting point, you can have less or more depends on your tune. The ratio of the port and 5th nozzle will depend on your the seasonal temperature of the location.

If you require the wmi to supplement fuel, read this. (post 430)

I believe you already have an wmi system?

Correct. I currently have the Snow Performance kit using the 625cc nozzle and using a 70/30 mix. But, my pump just gave out on me. It was an older kit that I received from a friend and I had to increase the pump pressure to get rid of the pulsating. Doing this caused premature wear on the pump. I'm currently looking into your HFS3 system and port-injecting it. So I know I'll need the kit, the 4-way manifold, and 5 check valve jets.

So let's say I want to port inject 700cc. I take the pump pressure: 160psi
subtract my target boost: -26psi
134psi

I use this chart:

At 134psi the 4mm(C) looks about 125cc. Mutliply that times 4 = 500cc. That's for the 4 nozzles in the ports. Now I need to use a 5th nozzle post-intercooler to cool the charge and supplement the difference. Using the same chart I can get a .6mm which at 134psi sprays roughly 225cc. This brings me to a total of 725cc.

Am I looking at this correctly or am I way off track here.

 

[Richard@Aquamist]

Correct. I currently have the Snow Performance kit using the 625cc nozzle and using a 70/30 mix. But, my pump just gave out on me. It was an older kit that I received from a friend and I had to increase the pump pressure to get rid of the pulsating. Doing this caused premature wear on the pump. I'm currently looking into your HFS3 system and port-injecting it. So I know I'll need the kit, the 4-way manifold, and 5 check valve jets.

So let's say I want to port inject 700cc. I take the pump pressure: 160psi
subtract my target boost: -26psi
134psi

I use this chart: View attachment 97755

At 134psi the 4mm(C) looks about 125cc. Mutliply that times 4 = 500cc. That's for the 4 nozzles in the ports. Now I need to use a 5th nozzle post-intercooler to cool the charge and supplement the difference. Using the same chart I can get a .6mm which at 134psi sprays roughly 225cc. This brings me to a total of 725cc.

Am I looking at this correctly or am I way off track here.

You are 100% correct.

The pump can be adjusted to 186psi by adjusting the 1/16" hset screw (clockwise). Yoiu need to pressure gauge

 

[lolibater]

Thanks for the gasket update.

This question would be best answered by the person who tunes the car. Is the system triggered by boost or IDC?

My tuner stated it would be best to start spraying at 80% load. I am having difficulty understanding why there is such a broad recommendation for when to start the spray....
I currently have the threshold set to 30%, which starts spraying right as I start getting on it, and usually at about 8psi. What say you?

 

[Richard@Aquamist]

My tuner stated it would be best to start spraying at 80% load. I am having difficulty understanding why there is such a broad recommendation for when to start the spray....
I currently have the threshold set to 30%, which starts spraying right as I start getting on it, and usually at about 8psi. What say you?

The highest trigger point based on load is 72%. "THRES" trimmer. It can be made to trigger at 80% load if you send the system back to me to be re-worked.

At 80%, there is hardly and progression to 95% (system fully on or 100% spray). I think he should only charge you 15% of the tuning cost, from idle to 80%, there are no re-mapping work to do. What say him?

Have not been asked this before... from beginning of time.

 

[lolibater]

Yeah I agree about the lack of progression triggering at 80%. I'm going to run it at 30% for a while as that seems to be working well for me; triggering right as I get into the throttle. I'll let you know if anything else comes up.
It's been a solid week of heavy use after installing the new gaskets and there are no leaks. Thanks again so much for sending those.

 

[Richard@Aquamist]

Yeah I agree about the lack of progression triggering at 80%. I'm going to run it at 30% for a while as that seems to be working well for me; triggering right as I get into the throttle. I'll let you know if anything else comes up.
It's been a solid week of heavy use after installing the new gaskets and there are no leaks. Thanks again so much for sending those.

Are there any rationale behind this 80% recommendation?

 

[lolibater]

Are there any rationale behind this 80% recommendation?

Nope. I asked for a bit of explanation, but my tuner isn't too familiar with WMI, which he admitted. Not a big problem; I just really wanted to make sure I wasn't spraying "too low". I talked to some buddies of mine who run WMI on their Subarus and they all start spraying at about the same point.

 

[Richard@Aquamist]

Nope. I asked for a bit of explanation, but my tuner isn't too familiar with WMI, which he admitted. Not a big problem; I just really wanted to make sure I wasn't spraying "too low". I talked to some buddies of mine who run WMI on their Subarus and they all start spraying at about the same point.

If he doesn't know much about wmi, he really shouldn't recommend anything.

 

[frozen_blue]

You are 100% correct.

The pump can be adjusted to 186psi by adjusting the 1/16" hset screw (clockwise). Yoiu need to pressure gauge

Is there any reason that someone would need to adjust the pressure on your pumps?

Also, just out of curiousity, does methanol have any effects on silicone hoses over an extended period of time?

 

[Richard@Aquamist]

Is there any reason that someone would need to adjust the pressure on your pumps?

Also, just out of curiousity, does methanol have any effects on silicone hoses over an extended period of time?

You adjust the pump pressure to offset the manifold pressure if you want to hold the flow true to the chart @160psi.

I do not know the long term effect of methanol on Nylon. Try here: Chemical Compatibility Database from Cole-Parmer United Kingdom

 

[lolibater]

Also, just out of curiousity, does methanol have any effects on silicone hoses over an extended period of time?

Here's the info from that site:

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It scored "excellent", which means it should hold up damn near forever.

 

[lolibater]

Without a pressure gauge, is there any way to adjust the pressure? I know some companies say something like 1/4 turn = x PSI. Is AM similar? Judging by the recent info here, I need to increase my pump PSI by about 24psi (my max boost)?

 

[frozen_blue]

Good to know. Thanks @lolibater @Richard@Aquamist

 

[Richard@Aquamist]

Without a pressure gauge, is there any way to adjust the pressure? I know some companies say something like 1/4 turn = x PSI. Is AM similar? Judging by the recent info here, I need to increase my pump PSI by about 24psi (my max boost)?

Have to use a pressure gauge, counting turns is not reliable.

Try here.