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In stock form the RS was very close to the ST in MPG, it was a little worse if you were really pushing it though. I also thought the ride quality of my '16 was great but others complained about it having a "pogo" effect in normal mode. Ford actually changed the shocks(different part #) mid 2017 and most people say that eliminated the pogo effect. I like a stiffer suspension and it's normally the first mod I make so that's most likely why I didn't mind the '16 as it was.

The car is an amazing daily driver in stock form and the AWD is super confidence inspiring in any weather, I loved it in the rain...rain + drift mode = FUN! It also felt like the RS had more mid-range power with the stock tune and was super smooth, almost too smooth like you look down and your doing 100 mph and you think to yourself "how the hell did I get up to this speed".

One thing to keep in mind and no one mentions is the insurance rates, mine doubled coming from the ST and then went drastically down when I bought the GT. I asked our agent(Progressive for the last 15 years) and she said the RS is in the same insurance class as a GT350R, so be prepared for that.

There really isn't anything like it and I have no doubt you'll enjoy it in stock form.
Definitely never thought about how the insurance would be effected soooo much. The ST is kinda expensive as it is. When I first traded my 11 5.0 it was actually $25 more a month. Ended up changing providers, which brought it back down to where the 5.0 was.
 

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I actually did call my insurance (AAA) & ask for a few quotes. As soon as I gave them the VIN # they said $500 increase annually for the RS & that it was a set rate, regardless of age or driving record. I was blown away at how much my rate would increase. I then gave them the VIN for an ‘18 ST & it was about half of the RS rate.


But yea, factor in insurance costs, premium gas, oil changes etc. & owning an RS is definitely going to be pricy. Sometimes I just get caught up in “how cool the RS looks” but when I actually take the time to think it over & factor in insurance costs etc. it’s definitely an expensive car to own.



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It is pricier no doubt, but once you take that plunge your in a Ford halo car and the felling you get from driving it is worth every penny IMHO.
 

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Definitely never thought about how the insurance would be effected soooo much. The ST is kinda expensive as it is. When I first traded my 11 5.0 it was actually $25 more a month. Ended up changing providers, which brought it back down to where the 5.0 was.
Yeah I couldn't believe a FWD/AWD turbo hatch would be more expensive to insure then a RWD 5.0 pony car...what a crazy world we live in today! :)
 

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Yeah I couldn't believe a FWD/AWD turbo hatch would be more expensive to insure then a RWD 5.0 pony car...what a crazy world we live in today! :)


One thing about the head gaskets, does every 2016-2017 RS need head gasket replacements? Or is it only a select few? It’s so difficult to get an answer on that & there is no recall on the carfax? Very few, if any, show that their head gaskets have been replaced?



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Yeah I couldn't believe a FWD/AWD turbo hatch would be more expensive to insure then a RWD 5.0 pony car...what a crazy world we live in today! :)


Maybe a dumb question but will the RS beat the pony from a dead stop, at a signal?



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Yeah I couldn't believe a FWD/AWD turbo hatch would be more expensive to insure then a RWD 5.0 pony car...what a crazy world we live in today! <img src="http://www.focusst.org/forum/images/smilies/smile.png" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />


One thing about the head gaskets, does every 2016-2017 RS need head gasket replacements? Or is it only a select few? It’s so difficult to get an answer on that & there is no recall on the carfax? Very few, if any, show that their head gaskets have been replaced?



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All 2016 and most 2017 need the head gasket done. Only late built 2017 and 2018 don’t need it done. You won’t find it on a recall as it was a FSA from Ford.
 

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Yeah I couldn't believe a FWD/AWD turbo hatch would be more expensive to insure then a RWD 5.0 pony car...what a crazy world we live in today! <img src="http://www.focusst.org/forum/images/smilies/smile.png" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />


Maybe a dumb question but will the RS beat the pony from a dead stop, at a signal?



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Stock for stock it’ll take a gen 1 and gen 2 5.0(11-17) from a stop. My gen 3 5.0(18-19) A10 will crush an RS but it’s the auto 10 speed tranny that makes it so quick, it’s really a game changer. My mustang stock does 0-60 in 3.9 seconds and it’s ridiculous!
 

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The RS isn’t about blinding strait line speed though, it’s more about ultimate traction and being able to carry unbelievable speeds confidently through corners. With that said launching the car is really fun as you hold the revs(LC does this for you) at 5500 rpm and side step the clutch, the car barks and launches hard as you flat foot shift into 2nd and hold the f on. This is all on the stock tune btw. Man that car was fun!
 

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The RS isn’t about blinding strait line speed though, it’s more about ultimate traction and being able to carry unbelievable speeds confidently through corners. With that said launching the car is really fun as you hold the revs(LC does this for you) at 5500 rpm and side step the clutch, the car barks and launches hard as you flat foot shift into 2nd and hold the f on. This is all on the stock tune btw. Man that car was fun!
This.

RS will lose stock to stock vs muscle cars like the new GT 5.0. The RS, like the ST, is meant for cornering. Granted, the RS isn't slow, but dont get it for straight-line racing.
 

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All 2016 and most 2017 need the head gasket done. Only late built 2017 and 2018 don’t need it done. You won’t find it on a recall as it was a FSA from Ford.


What’s FSA?

One last thing on the head gaskets, should it be on the vehicles carfax report if it was indeed replaced? If you were buying a used 2016-2017 RS would you still buy it if there was no proof that the head gaskets were replaced buy Ford on the carfax timeline reports? I keep looking each day & many of these cars have 15-20k miles on them & don’t show head gasket replacements?



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All 2016 and most 2017 need the head gasket done. Only late built 2017 and 2018 don’t need it done. You won’t find it on a recall as it was a FSA from Ford.


What’s FSA?

One last thing on the head gaskets, should it be on the vehicles carfax report if it was indeed replaced? If you were buying a used 2016-2017 RS would you still buy it if there was no proof that the head gaskets were replaced buy Ford on the carfax timeline reports? I keep looking each day & many of these cars have 15-20k miles on them & don’t show head gasket replacements?



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Unlikely they'd show on carfax, as it's a maintenance item. Your other service requests wouldn't be on carfax, neither would this.
 

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What’s FSA?

One last thing on the head gaskets, should it be on the vehicles carfax report if it was indeed replaced? If you were buying a used 2016-2017 RS would you still buy it if there was no proof that the head gaskets were replaced buy Ford on the carfax timeline reports? I keep looking each day & many of these cars have 15-20k miles on them & don’t show head gasket replacements?



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FSA stands for "Field Service Action" and it's not a recall unfortunately so it won't show on the carfax. If your purchasing at a Ford dealer(or know someone at a dealer who can check for you) you can ask for that cars Oasis Report(by VIN) and that'll show all maintenance done to the car including the FSA for the HG. Also the new HG will have a brass rivet on the HG front pass side of the engine that you can see/feel and you'll know it's the updated HG. See below pics:

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Unfortunately if it's not been done by now it isn't getting done as this particular FSA program ended 5-31-19.
 

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just got mine, Prices are flat and or going up. 33K
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Amazing car! That’s exactly what I want! White with the black wheels! Although I’d prefer no moonroof!

May I ask, how’s the ride quality, MPGs & seats? Do you like the acceleration? Not sure if you’re in SoCal but if so I’d love go on a ride with you before I spend 33k+. to see if I like it as a daily.



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