Dude, I've been looking for this since last winter! You're my hero. Looking like 357hp/389tq right now! I'm pumped.
Tunes comparison: Stratified vs Cobb vs Freektune vs Mountune (virtual dyno inside)
Decided to compare all of my stage 1 tunes. Mods are depo intercooler and resonator delete, that's it. All dyno runs were performed back to back in the exact same conditions. I did a run, parked, and then switched to the next tune. All charge temps were the same for all 4 runs (around 60). Runs were performed on the exact same closed road at the exact same starting point.
I know virtual dyno isn't necessarily 100% accurate, but still interesting to see.
Some notes: freektune had the most negative corrections during the run (but still low, -1.5 or less) and cobb has the least (zero all the way through). Freektune felt the best/most powerful, followed by cobb, then mountune, then stratified. Stratified had terrible low end and the dyno reflects that. I know a lot of people like the throttle feel of stratified, but I don't. Freektune felt the best/most peppy.
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I know virtual dyno isn't necessarily 100% accurate, but still interesting to see.
Some notes: freektune had the most negative corrections during the run (but still low, -1.5 or less) and cobb has the least (zero all the way through). Freektune felt the best/most powerful, followed by cobb, then mountune, then stratified. Stratified had terrible low end and the dyno reflects that. I know a lot of people like the throttle feel of stratified, but I don't. Freektune felt the best/most peppy.
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Justin's just a one man operation so he's never on the forum anymore. He is still very active on Facebook on his own profile and Freektune page. I mean I just so happen to be freektuned but before I made that choice I talked to a good number of guys and his knowledge is incredible. If you talk to the stratified guys, they are also wizards in the ecoboost world. We're just lucky to have awesome people supervising our platformI agree. I wouldn't let this thread alone make that decision for you; I think you're jumping the gun. If you're like me, I've been reading a researching to the point my head hurts. One thing I have seen is tons and tons and tons of praise for Stratified around here. But beyond that, an equal amount of tonnage of support and great responses from the guys at Stratified. I've seen them jump in many many threads not directly targeted st them and have not seen the same from Freektune. Just an innocent, outside observation.
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I've been reading and there is a huge difference in the power outputs of the 4 comparable tunes. My question is why is the mountune tune about 40tq greater than the Stratified? Does this mean that the mountune is pushing the limits in the danger area where Stratified is playing it safe? I'm a little concerned who to go with based on some of these numbers.
Not necessarily. Torque is a direct function of airflow. Stratified appears to be limiting the turbo down low versus Mountune, which is throwing the balls to the wall immediately. While Mountune might be pushing it harder down low, that doesn't necessarily mean its less safe than Stratified (all of the tunes are making the same peak power at the same engine speed, which means they are making the same boost then as well). Anyway, limiting torque at lower engine speeds helps prevent wild wheel-spin and creates much more of a surge feeling.I've been reading and there is a huge difference in the power outputs of the 4 comparable tunes. My question is why is the Mountune tune about 40tq greater than the Stratified? Does this mean that the mountune is pushing the limits in the danger area where Stratified is playing it safe? I'm a little concerned who to go with based on some of these numbers.
It is also worth nothing that the OP mentioned that when he achieved -1 OAR, Stratified was putting down similar numbers. OP can you clarify that? When OAR is -1, is Stratified producing the same torque and power curves as the others?
Edit: Last thing to keep in mind, Mountune is Ford's aftermarket performance parts partner. If you purchase the parts through Mountune or Ford and have them installed by a Ford certified tech (I think any certified tech will work though, but you'd have to check), you will retain a limited warranty. Even if you don't go that route, it is unlikely Mountune would be producing tunes/parts that would be dangerous to the engine relatively to other aftermarket manufacturers.
Sorry, what I meant is that the stratified tune at -1 OAR is putting down the same numbers as the stratified tune you see here.
I should have been more fair, as I'm running a stratified tune that has been revised 3x to get rid of negative corrections. Later today I'll dyno the first stratified tune I got to see what kind of numbers it gets.
I should have been more fair, as I'm running a stratified tune that has been revised 3x to get rid of negative corrections. Later today I'll dyno the first stratified tune I got to see what kind of numbers it gets.
Thanks for sharing this. Randy (Mountune) gave me pretty much those exact numbers based off my data logs. I had someone tell me those numbers aren't possible with just a tune and intake and 91 octane.
Randy at Mountune has probably been in the Ford tuning game longer than anybody. He doesn't push limits and will even dial things back if you ask him to.I've been reading and there is a huge difference in the power outputs of the 4 comparable tunes. My question is why is the mountune tune about 40tq greater than the Stratified? Does this mean that the mountune is pushing the limits in the danger area where Stratified is playing it safe? I'm a little concerned who to go with based on some of these numbers.
Sweet post OP! Thanks! I'd love to see Unleashed thrown in the mix :big smile:
Proofs in the pudding but i dont believe the mix lol.. I see the numbers, but my OTS stg3 stratified just ****s all over the OTS stg3 Cobb tune.. it feels like the car is broken between the 2. and e30 stg3 stratified makes it even worse. Im NOT saying Stratified is the best out, I run them and love it. But if you ever look at my posts i say you cant go wrong with FreekTune, Stratified, DHM and the others.. All will transform your car into a different beast. But my Stratified tune has no problem with torque. This is a picture of the actual dyno run and a picture of a Vdyno with me and my son which is why the weight is different.. pretty close.
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yup it has the same FRPP warranty that the FRPP tune has.Is there any sort of warranty maintained by Mountune that might be beneficial?
Sorry to revive an old thread but I couldn't find the answer I was looking for. I just finished the e-tuning process with Justin at Freektune and just wanted to hear some peoples thoughts on this tune vs the Cobb stage 2 which I have been running before. So far I like the tune and not sure if it's just me but is the Cobb tune more aggressive in the bottom end, it feels more punchy to me then the Freektune which feels much more linear.
Im experiencing the same with freek. Tames the low boost with more mid and upper. I also did the actuator upgrade alsoSorry to revive an old thread but I couldn't find the answer I was looking for. I just finished the e-tuning process with Justin at Freektune and just wanted to hear some peoples thoughts on this tune vs the Cobb stage 2 which I have been running before. So far I like the tune and not sure if it's just me but is the Cobb tune more aggressive in the bottom end, it feels more punchy to me then the Freektune which feels much more linear.
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Ok good to know, do you prefer that? Also what is the actuator upgrade, sorry haven't heard of that.Im experiencing the same with freek. Tames the low boost with more mid and upper. I also did the actuator upgrade also
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Turbo smart actuator, stronger part to hold boost better on the top end. Factory part peaks boost early then drops, ts holds a more linear curve all the way to red line.Ok good to know, do you prefer that? Also what is the actuator upgrade, sorry haven't heard of that.
And yes, i prefer the more tame low end as these cars don't hook, so by cutting a little power early to maintain traction and shifting it further down the rpms yields a quicker (faster if you call the st fast) with better mid and top end
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Oh ok gotcha, yeah I replaced my BPV with the Mountune re-circ valve but haven't done the actuator, I'll look into that as well. Yeah I did notice the car didn't break loose as much which is good but I did kinda like the little more punchy feel haha. Thanks for the info!Turbo smart actuator, stronger part to hold boost better on the top end. Factory part peaks boost early then drops, ts holds a more linear curve all the way to red line.
And yes, i prefer the more tame low end as these cars don't hook, so by cutting a little power early to maintain traction and shifting it further down the rpms yields a quicker (faster if you call the st fast) with better mid and top end
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Just a FYI, the Mountune BPV is covered under the frpp parts warranty but a wga will not be covered and may lead to voided coverage if certain items fail due to it ie. turbo., with that said you can also tighten the stock wga but you need to adjust tune for it afterwards.Oh ok gotcha, yeah I replaced my BPV with the Mountune re-circ valve but haven't done the actuator, I'll look into that as well. Yeah I did notice the car didn't break loose as much which is good but I did kinda like the little more punchy feel haha. Thanks for the info!
Good to know, my warranty is up anyway being my car a '13 so no worries on that. Does the Turbo Smart actuator also require a tune adjustment?Just a FYI, the Mountune BPV is covered under the frpp parts warranty but a wga will not be covered and may lead to voided coverage if certain items fail due to it ie. turbo., with that said you can also tighten the stock wga but you need to adjust tune for it afterwards.
Yes, a custom tune is requiredGood to know, my warranty is up anyway being my car a '13 so no worries on that. Does the Turbo Smart actuator also require a tune adjustment?
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^^^^^^ Like he said....
https://www.mountuneusa.com/mountune-Turbosmart-IWG-75-Focus-ST-p/2363-wga-12.htm
mountune Turbosmart IWG-75 Wastegate Actuator - Focus ST
2363-WGA-12
OEM wastegate actuators typically use a soft spring, which begins to open long before peak boost is reached. While this is fine for otherwise stock vehicles, tuned or modified engines can benefit from a wastegate actuator upgrade with a higher rated spring.*
Supplied exclusively by*Turbosmart, the mountune IWG-75 Internal Wastegate Actuator features a 12PSI-rated spring designed with performance and power in mind. Additionally, one can expect*faster boost build-up and less drop-off at high RPMs, with a more responsive and stable boost curve.*In addition, their billet construction and Turbosmart's rigorous quality testing ensures the ultimate in reliability.*
Please note this product cannot be used on a vehicle running stock calibration. A modified or custom tune is required. Using this product without the correct supporting calibration (tune) can result in engine damage. Custom calibration can be included with the purchase of one of our many performance upgrades*(click here)*or as a supporting item for existing customers of our upgrade packages.*
Smooth stable boost curve
Reduces boost surge
Optimized torque curve
Custom tune required , click*here*for details.
https://www.mountuneusa.com/mountune-Turbosmart-IWG-75-Focus-ST-p/2363-wga-12.htm
mountune Turbosmart IWG-75 Wastegate Actuator - Focus ST
2363-WGA-12
OEM wastegate actuators typically use a soft spring, which begins to open long before peak boost is reached. While this is fine for otherwise stock vehicles, tuned or modified engines can benefit from a wastegate actuator upgrade with a higher rated spring.*
Supplied exclusively by*Turbosmart, the mountune IWG-75 Internal Wastegate Actuator features a 12PSI-rated spring designed with performance and power in mind. Additionally, one can expect*faster boost build-up and less drop-off at high RPMs, with a more responsive and stable boost curve.*In addition, their billet construction and Turbosmart's rigorous quality testing ensures the ultimate in reliability.*
Please note this product cannot be used on a vehicle running stock calibration. A modified or custom tune is required. Using this product without the correct supporting calibration (tune) can result in engine damage. Custom calibration can be included with the purchase of one of our many performance upgrades*(click here)*or as a supporting item for existing customers of our upgrade packages.*
Smooth stable boost curve
Reduces boost surge
Optimized torque curve
Custom tune required , click*here*for details.
As much I would like to do the actuator upgrade living in CA when it becomes time to smog I am forced to re-flash back to stock to pass smog here, with my current mods I can still use them on the stock tune if needed, and since the actuator requires a tune to run correctly it is not really an option for me unless I switch it out with the stock one before smog which is a PITA. I already have to do something similar with my Mustang that has a custom tune to pass smog, remove the intake, put the stock airbox back on, re-flash to stock, drive around for a few hundred miles until it goes through a drive cycle, new smog laws here make it difficult to run custom tunes since they do an OBD2 port check.
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