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No idea what you are referring to. Only thing on the backside is the pcv connection and the bolt holes to mount the manifold
Yeah now that I look at it again, my statement was horribly vague.

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Counting from left to right, hole number 5, second from the right. Just was wondering what that one in specific was.
 

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Yeah now that I look at it again, my statement was horribly vague.

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Counting from left to right, hole number 5, second from the right. Just was wondering what that one in specific was.
That is the Chevy cobalt manifold... Not the st...

It is just a npt plug hole for the customer to use as they wish
 

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That is the Chevy cobalt manifold... Not the st...

It is just a npt plug hole for the customer to use as they wish
Jesus Christ, I'm really on a roll tonight. Sorry about that. The signature is in full effect.
 

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I'd be interested to see the difference with a larger or ported throttle body. Is the opening on the intake mani larger than stock at all?
 

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i watched two of the videos and it looks like there are no fans set up?
There definitely was a fan. I was cursing that fan the whole time because I was freezing my a** off. The ST is facing an open bay door which is about 5 feet in front of the bumper. The fan was actually sitting just right outside so that it could gather all the cold air from outside and blow it onto the front bumper.
 

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wow I would have expected much more with all the talk about how bad the stock setup was.......
 

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^^^+10,000. some have shown greater gains with just the spacer. i'd like to see a stock car with this as the only mod. for comparison;)
 

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^^^+10,000. some have shown greater gains with just the spacer. i'd like to see a stock car with this as the only mod. for comparison;)
Have they? can you trust the data they provide?

No way the spacer gives you more than 1-2 hp max.

No company has done independent testing like we did... Non company affiliated, testing... No gain to the tester. They all have been businesses that have tested and have a company gain to sell it. So we would question the truthfulness of it.
 

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wow I would have expected much more with all the talk about how bad the stock setup was.......
Where did we say where it was bad? We stated where our manifold would be different.

A bolt on giving 8 HP and 12 torque is not a bad bolt on gain. Compare to an exhaust-intake, similar gains as this product. It all helps.
 

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I don't really like the number as you stated before, a stage three car should be around 270. what I need to see is a baseline of this car on this particular dyno
 

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Where did we say where it was bad? We stated where our manifold would be different.

A bolt on giving 8 HP and 12 torque is not a bad bolt on gain. Compare to an exhaust-intake, similar gains as this product. It all helps.
There will be a time in this platforms development where this intake may or may not become an absolute necessity, I commend TurboTechRacing for seeing that day on the horizon and producing OPTIONS for a new platform and showing their dedication to it's advancement. "8-10" horse is on this one car on this one day on this one dyno. Some people might show 15 some might not show any gains at all.
 

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I don't really like the number as you stated before, a stage three car should be around 270. what I need to see is a baseline of this car on this particular dyno
Did you even read this thread yet in entire?!?!

We stated it should be about 275hp, like you stated, as to why gains show about 22% less than actual on a dynojet.

Base line or not... It is the delta (change) that counts.
 

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There will be a time in this platforms development where this intake may or may not become an absolute necessity, I commend TurboTechRacing for seeing that day on the horizon and producing OPTIONS for a new platform and showing their dedication to it's advancement. "8-10" horse is on this one car on this one day on this one dyno. Some people might show 15 some might not show any gains at all.
Agreed. As far as necessary, with the provided gains and cost it comes back to an exhaust or intake, similar price, similar gains; so you could say that about ANY bolt on, this part is no different. Plus it looks great in the engine bay :)
 

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I never said "you" said anything, just all the talk about how the transition was bad from the mani to the head.....

I am sure down the road I will get one from you or Breedt but does not really fit into my build budget for the gain.

Thanks for all the hard work thought!

Where did we say where it was bad? We stated where our manifold would be different.

A bolt on giving 8 HP and 12 torque is not a bad bolt on gain. Compare to an exhaust-intake, similar gains as this product. It all helps.
 
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OK people! Please look at gains from specific parts differently. DO NOT look at peak improvements! Look at how much added area under the curve is. Also look at the percentage of area under the curve gain compared to previous area number. If you dont understand what I just said pm me and I will be please to explain a little more in depth.
 

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I never said "you" said anything, just all the talk about how the transition was bad from the mani to the head.....

I am sure down the road I will get one from you or Breedt but does not really fit into my build budget for the gain.

Thanks for all the hard work thought!
It is bad for that transition, yes, but it is not going to gain you HUGE HP, like some have lead this forum to belive. You might see 1-2 HP by a smoother flow at this point, but that is all.

Thanks! :)
 

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OK people! Please look at gains from specific parts differently. DO NOT look at peak improvements! Look at how much added area under the curve is. Also look at the percentage of area under the curve gain compared to previous area number. If you dont understand what I just said pm me and I will be please to explain a little more in depth.
VERY good point :)
 

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I don't really like the number as you stated before, a stage three car should be around 270. what I need to see is a baseline of this car on this particular dyno

I can give you some info as a base line on this type of Dyno. When I was completely stock I dynoed a such Dyno and with 300miles in he car I made 203whp if at helps. That was a completely stock car no mods except rear motor mount.
 
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