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Sudden drop In power and calculated load

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So, here’s all the stuff you need to know

Mods- front mount, intake, e30 tune

What happened- the other day I took a Datalog and my car was running great. Power was as good as ever. Then today, I started noticing my power was down. So I just took a Datalog 20 or so minutes ago. Threw them into virtual Dyno And I was right, on the weaker pull from today I was down 20-40 torque and 15-25 horsepower through out the entire pull. Consistently down everywhere.

The only external difference was the ambient temp. It was about 15 degrees warmer today. The stronger pull from the other day had a charge temp of 45 ish, while the weaker pull from today was a little above 60. But there's no way that should have caused a reduction of power of that magnitude. (I checked all the boost hoses and nothing felt loose, nothing looks off in the engine bay)

Comparing the logs the big thing I noticed was load. on the good pull, the load reading was normal around 2.6 or so at its peak, on the weak pull, it barely reached 2.2. I don't know what would cause that sort of sudden reduction in load. As far as I can see all the other parameters look okay? Boost is still there, air fuels okay, there were no ignition corrections, oar was at -1. airflow mass is perhaps down a bit. But that's not an actual reading it's calculated from other readings and the weather was also warmer.

the only other difference between the 2 pulls was I filled up with gas in between the 2 pulls. Mixture of e85 and 93 just like I always do. But that shouldn’t be of any significance.
 
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the only other difference between the 2 pulls was I filled up with gas in between the 2 pulls. Mixture of e85 and 93 just like I always do. But that shouldn’t be of any significance.
And yet bad fuel would be my first guess.

 
#3 ·
I noticed my ST was extremely sensitive to air density and a losing a noticeable amount of power with a 15 degree swing doesn't sound that far-fetched to me.

But as sobro said, it definitely could be fuel related as well since that was another variable.

My recommendation is to try another station at the end of this tank and hope the weather drops back down to 45 again, pull another log, and compare to the first log.

The accessport has a PID called ADC or Air Density Correction. I recommend you watch that parameter. Anything around 1.0 or higher is really good horsepower making air. Below 1.0 your power starts to suffer. Elevation and temperature are the main reasons this changes, but it gives you a good reading on how well the air is as far as horsepower production goes.
 
#4 ·
Yea I thought about the gas too but I always get from the exact same station and never had an issue so then I wasn’t so sure. I will try running the tank down and refilling.

while I do understand 15 degrees can make a difference, the temperature was still only 60 degrees during the bad pull. That’s still boost weather right? I can’t imagine going from 45 to 60 degrees would kill 45 torque and 25 horsepower.

One other thing I did notice is my LTFT seems to be stuck on 1 number regardless of throttle input or change in fuel. I run around e38 and I even tried adding an extra gallon of 93 to get the trims to change and they didn’t. It’s stuck at +10.94 currently. This has happened to me once before and I believe it was stuck around the same number. Then when I reloaded my tune and it reset itself and relearned and the trims would be between +3 and +7/8 depending on throttle. So I may try resetting my tune and letting the car relearn the trims again. Cause having the trims stuck at +11 means an additional 8% fuel in some areas. That isn’t enough to throw a code but enough kill some power as well I’m sure. So there’s a couple things I gotta try.

Would the density correction factor be considered one of those readings that are calculated from other sensors data and more or less “estimated” rather than being an official data point?
 
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Would the density correction factor be considered one of those readings that are calculated from other sensors data and more or less “estimated” rather than being an official data point?
It's just a proprietary number that ford came up with to determine conditions, most likely for the engineers. It is calculated from sensor data, you have 4 main pressure/temp sensors (baro, map, tmap, and the IAT/pressure sensor next to the airbox)and one external sensor (ambient air temp).
Again, just for comparison. Had you been watching this figure, you could confirm or rule out air differences between the 2 runs.