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At a crossroad here peeps and need some real world advice - I drive the car in the mountains a good bit and don't auto x or track it.

Have to replace my shocks, and am on a budget. Title says it all, just need something that will last (wanted the B14 PSS's but no one has them in stock and it has been this way since 12/2018). Amazon has these at real reasonable prices 800.00 and 745.00 respectively. Please only respond if you have actual real world experience with either of these Models on our cars (The FOCUS ST).
 

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@nickbaldwin86 has experience with the ST's and he seems to like them.
 

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Im just wondering how we got into a situation of comparing utter generic garbage, to a tried and true german brand with TUV/ISO certification. That also isn't made from recycled Soup cans in Asia..


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Because Bilstein has been unobtainium for the FoST for at least the past year if you want a full set.
 

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Because Bilstein has been unobtainium for the FoST for at least the past year if you want a full set.
No. Megan vs ST. Bilstein is just whatever. I have B8's, they are okay. I have had better luck when it comes to support from Koni. But I don't care for the Koni adjustment system with no detents or clicks.

ST is owned by KW Suspension. The ST X coilovers are essentially v1's without the life time warranty and fancy steel body. The XTA is a v2, with rebound adjustment.
Think of them as the budget edition of KW coilovers.

So to compare Megan to ST is just asinine.
 

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ST is owned by KW Suspension. The ST X coilovers are essentially v1's without the life time warranty and fancy steel body. The XTA is a v2, with rebound adjustment.
Think of them as the budget edition of KW coilovers.
The XTA is more like the KW V3. The V2 equivalent would be the XA. Which is, like the V2, not available for the Focus ST.
ST and KW are produced under the same roof here in Germany, only major difference is that the ST ones aren't made from stainless steel but zinc plated steel. On the other hand, the ST XTA comes in at $1200 while the KW V3 is at least $1950 around here.

Idk how it is in the U.S. but in Europe, KW is usually considered superior to Bilstein / Eibach (Springs for Bilstein suspensions are made by Eibach).
In terms of ride quality, this applies to ST too. So it is KW > ST > Bilstein > H&R.
The only real downside regarding the ST is that you have to wax them when you install them and check on them once a year and replace the wax if necessary. Unless you want them to rust away during winter of course.
 

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I'm apparently late to the thread Travis, haha. But I've had the ST-Xs for a little over a year now, and I'm not completely happy with them. They're not terrible, but I don't necessarily like the ride quality either. I do feel like the car handles better with them versus my previous setup which was Eibach Pro Kit springs on OEM shocks/struts, but the ride is a bit more bouncy. I may try to replace them with something else eventually.
 

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The XTA is more like the KW V3. The V2 equivalent would be the XA. Which is, like the V2, not available for the Focus ST.
ST and KW are produced under the same roof here in Germany, only major difference is that the ST ones aren't made from stainless steel but zinc plated steel. On the other hand, the ST XTA comes in at $1200 while the KW V3 is at least $1950 around here.

Idk how it is in the U.S. but in Europe, KW is usually considered superior to Bilstein / Eibach (Springs for Bilstein suspensions are made by Eibach).
In terms of ride quality, this applies to ST too. So it is KW > ST > Bilstein > H&R.
The only real downside regarding the ST is that you have to wax them when you install them and check on them once a year and replace the wax if necessary. Unless you want them to rust away during winter of course.
Not to split hairs

But the XT is height adjustable
The XTA is height and rebound adjustable

From KW, the v1 is height adjustable
The v2 is height and rebound adjustable
The v3 is height, rebound and compression adjustable.

Thus:
v1 = XT
v2 = XTA
v3 = ø <-There are no equivalent ST Suspension coils to KW in this line.
 

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I'm apparently late to the thread Travis, haha. But I've had the ST-Xs for a little over a year now, and I'm not completely happy with them. They're not terrible, but I don't necessarily like the ride quality either. I do feel like the car handles better with them versus my previous setup which was Eibach Pro Kit springs on OEM shocks/struts, but the ride is a bit more bouncy. I may try to replace them with something else eventually.
Too low? That is one way for those too feel uncomfortable and bouncy. They are finicky to ride height. I'd be curious if you tried it about 10-15mm higher, if it improved.
 

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Too low? That is one way for those too feel uncomfortable and bouncy. They are finicky to ride height. I'd be curious if you tried it about 10-15mm higher, if it improved.
I didn't think that it was too low, but I guess it could be. I'll try and raise it a little this weekend and see if it changes it any.
 

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The majority of coilovers that offer height adjustment through the spring perch only will most certainly exhibit a harsher ride if you go a bit too low. Doing that, you essentially take them out of thier operating range, shortening the compression/rebound stroke, and potenially create a condition where you ride on the bumpstops excessively which is no bueno.
 

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I didn't think that it was too low, but I guess it could be. I'll try and raise it a little this weekend and see if it changes it any.
The majority of coilovers that offer height adjustment through the spring perch only will most certainly exhibit a harsher ride if you go a bit too low. Doing that, you essentially take them out of thier operating range, shortening the compression/rebound stroke, and potenially create a condition where you ride on the bumpstops excessively which is no bueno.
^ This is especially true on progressive rate springs. The more it's compressed, the stiffer the spring. Which I believe is the case with all KW/ST rear springs. (I think fronts too, but am not 100% sure)
 

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^ This is especially true on progressive rate springs. The more it's compressed, the stiffer the spring. Which I believe is the case with all KW/ST rear springs. (I think fronts too, but am not 100% sure)
Fronts are linear, but the rears are progressive, either way, setting them too low will minimize the amount of shock travel available.
 

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The XTA is more like the KW V3. The V2 equivalent would be the XA. Which is, like the V2, not available for the Focus ST.
ST and KW are produced under the same roof here in Germany, only major difference is that the ST ones aren't made from stainless steel but zinc plated steel. On the other hand, the ST XTA comes in at $1200 while the KW V3 is at least $1950 around here.

Idk how it is in the U.S. but in Europe, KW is usually considered superior to Bilstein / Eibach (Springs for Bilstein suspensions are made by Eibach).
In terms of ride quality, this applies to ST too. So it is KW > ST > Bilstein > H&R.
The only real downside regarding the ST is that you have to wax them when you install them and check on them once a year and replace the wax if necessary. Unless you want them to rust away during winter of course.
Not to split hairs

But the XT is height adjustable
The XTA is height and rebound adjustable

From KW, the v1 is height adjustable
The v2 is height and rebound adjustable
The v3 is height, rebound and compression adjustable.

Thus:
v1 = XT
v2 = XTA
v3 = ø <-There are no equivalent ST Suspension coils to KW in this line.
The St-x's are height adjustable only. The regular st's are non-adjustable. Xta's are height and rebound adjustable with camber plates. I can only find those for the RS.
 

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