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Went to put it into 3rd from high rpm in 2nd while just playing to see how fast I can get to 60 from 0. So I went to shift from 2nd to third and it felt like a wall was stuck in the 3rd gear slot or something. Even my hand hurt afterwards so it's not like I didn't give it some force. I have when shifting to 2nd to 1st it seemed like it poped out of second when I let go of stick. Car is 2016 with 5k miles
 

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2 to 3 is "push, let it center itself, push". If you hurt your hand, you're shifting too forcefully. An angry hamfist shift will slow you down more than a graceful prompt one and you'll miss 3rd every single time. Bend the linkage and you won't be making any shifts, Toretto.
 

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2 to 3 is "push, let it center itself, push". If you hurt your hand, you're shifting too forcefully. An angry hamfist shift will slow you down more than a graceful prompt one and you'll miss 3rd every single time. Bend the linkage and you won't be making any shifts, Toretto.
When I mess around with engine off I never miss anything and can put in the correct gear as I go through them and it just easily glides into each gear. With the engine on there feels like some resistance to get it into certain gears sometimes. When that happened it felt like nothing I've experienced granted this is my first manual. But still even if you hit the gate in between it still manages to slide off it. The best way to describe it is in my car if your coasting at 50 then have to stop at a light to turn right (at 11:30 nobody goes on that road really so I never fully stop) but you try to put it into 2nd at 50 as your still applying brakes with the clutch in it feels like it won't let you. Well when I went to 3rd it felt like something wasn't letting me put it in 3rd.
 

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yea i don't think it will let you just put in second at 50. I'm new to the car so I don't know exactly where 50mph is at on the rpm range but i'd guess its close to redline. if your not rev matching on your downshift no way will it let you go in gear at that high rpm.
 

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When I mess around with engine off I never miss anything and can put in the correct gear as I go through them and it just easily glides into each gear. With the engine on there feels like some resistance to get it into certain gears sometimes. When that happened it felt like nothing I've experienced granted this is my first manual. But still even if you hit the gate in between it still manages to slide off it. The best way to describe it is in my car if your coasting at 50 then have to stop at a light to turn right (at 11:30 nobody goes on that road really so I never fully stop) but you try to put it into 2nd at 50 as your still applying brakes with the clutch in it feels like it won't let you. Well when I went to 3rd it felt like something wasn't letting me put it in 3rd.
For one, with the engine off and your shifting gears just while parked,the synchros don't have to do any work since nothing is moving so that test has zero validity. Also when driving, the engine and transmission moves around, and the synchros are moving and have to work when you shift gears.

I can tell you that slamming gears is going to greatly cut the transmission life you get out of this car, you will ruin the synchros rather quickly, especially second gear. When you are coasting at 50mph and try to put it in second gear, you are making the synchros do a tremendous amount of work, similar with 3rd gear if your rpms are at idle when you try to put it in gear. If you are in neutral going that fast, with your foot off the clutch, rev the rpms to approximately where they would be when you engage the gear you want to get in, then push the clutch in and shift to the gear you desire, that will minimize the work the synchros have to do.
 

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For one, with the engine off and your shifting gears just while parked,the synchros don't have to do any work since nothing is moving so that test has zero validity. Also when driving, the engine and transmission moves around, and the synchros are moving and have to work when you shift gears.

I can tell you that slamming gears is going to greatly cut the transmission life you get out of this car, you will ruin the synchros rather quickly, especially second gear. When you are coasting at 50mph and try to put it in second gear, you are making the synchros do a tremendous amount of work, similar with 3rd gear if your rpms are at idle when you try to put it in gear. If you are in neutral going that fast, with your foot off the clutch, rev the rpms to approximately where they would be when you engage the gear you want to get in, then push the clutch in and shift to the gear you desire, that will minimize the work the synchros have to do.
Yeah if I have ANY resistance ever going into a gear I stop and double clutch to get it in gear. Forcing a gear into place (in ANY gear) means that force pushing against you is your syncros and you're wearing them by pushing against them.
 

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^What they all said. I also got the car guy version of an IT question for you. Are you sure that you have the clutch engaged when you are trying to slam the gear, or are you letting off the pedal a little too soon on the shift? Also, I know that 50mph is about 5,000-5,500RPM range, so you are really trying to **** up your car shifting it that close to the redline. That is really a lot of work for the car. If this is your first manual, you really need to take it easy on the car. I've been driving manuals for about 12 years now, and I still don't have it perfect or completely smooth. Focus (haha) on smooth transitions right now, even if you have to granny clutch it for a while. A worn clutch is better than a blown transmission or engine. Also, on slow down for lights or stop signs, either take it out of gear and use the brakes to stop (I do this) or let your RPMs drop below 2,000 before you downshift. This will not wear it nearly as much as downshifting at 50mph from 3rd to 2nd. Also, about the gate...I don't know if they changed up the gearbox, but if it is still the same as mine, I've hit the gate hard before and it stopped all movement from the shifter and caught me off guard. Not easy to do, but possible. Really though, don't beat on her so hard. She's fragile.
 

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^What they all said. I also got the car guy version of an IT question for you. Are you sure that you have the clutch engaged when you are trying to slam the gear, or are you letting off the pedal a little too soon on the shift? Also, I know that 50mph is about 5,000-5,500RPM range, so you are really trying to **** up your car shifting it that close to the redline. That is really a lot of work for the car. If this is your first manual, you really need to take it easy on the car. I've been driving manuals for about 12 years now, and I still don't have it perfect or completely smooth. Focus (haha) on smooth transitions right now, even if you have to granny clutch it for a while. A worn clutch is better than a blown transmission or engine. Also, on slow down for lights or stop signs, either take it out of gear and use the brakes to stop (I do this) or let your RPMs drop below 2,000 before you downshift. This will not wear it nearly as much as downshifting at 50mph from 3rd to 2nd. Also, about the gate...I don't know if they changed up the gearbox, but if it is still the same as mine, I've hit the gate hard before and it stopped all movement from the shifter and caught me off guard. Not easy to do, but possible. Really though, don't beat on her so hard. She's fragile.
Also, if you are using the engine to slow down...you're just wasting your time lol. Due to our compression ratio our cars have almost NO engine braking. Better off doing what TDubya1842 said above than relying on engine braking to do much of anything. Especially going into 2nd at 50mph..that would just be loud and hard on the motor with next to nothing as far as braking effect.
 

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Went to put it into 3rd from high rpm in 2nd while just playing to see how fast I can get to 60 from 0. So I went to shift from 2nd to third and it felt like a wall was stuck in the 3rd gear slot or something. Even my hand hurt afterwards so it's not like I didn't give it some force. I have when shifting to 2nd to 1st it seemed like it poped out of second when I let go of stick. Car is 2016 with 5k miles
Please dont drive a manual!
 
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Speaking of hammering gears, fast 6 is one tv right now haha.

On a serious note, OP watch a YouTube video or two of a professional driver driving a new GT350R. Smooth as butter


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Please dont drive a manual!
What's sad is, in a few years, some poor soul is going to buy THAT car used from him and not know how trashed the transmission is going to be.
 
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Guys, I think he was just using shifting into 2nd gear going 50 as an example of the wall feeling he experience when shifting from second to third. I don't think he actually does that regularly. The way he describes it, it sounds like the syncros didn't have a chance to line up third gear. Not sure why that would happen driving normally and shifting from 2nd to 3rd though. OP don't ever force it so hard your hand hurts. If it doesn't want to go in, leave it in neutral, release the clutch, depress the cluch, and then it should slip into whatever gear you were looking for (as look as you are at proper speed for that gear).
 

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You guys really got me wondering about how you are downshifting. I actually do this almost every time I slow down from 50 or under. Before I apply the brakes in a quick smooth manner
Clutch in, N, clutch out
Blip throttle to raise engine speed to about 3,500 rpm (less if below 50 mph)
Clutch in, 3rd, clutch out
Apply brakes
When speed is under 20 mph, clutch in, N, clutch out, brake to stop in N.
Then try to find a nice small pot hole to rest my tire in so I can lazily not apply the brakes while stopped (assuming I’m not in a precarious place like in a left turn lane or last in line).
What do you do?
 

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You guys really got me wondering about how you are downshifting. I actually do this almost every time I slow down from 50 or under. Before I apply the brakes in a quick smooth manner
Clutch in, N, clutch out
Blip throttle to raise engine speed to about 3,500 rpm (less if below 50 mph)
Clutch in, 3rd, clutch out
Apply brakes
When speed is under 20 mph, clutch in, N, clutch out, brake to stop in N.
Then try to find a nice small pot hole to rest my tire in so I can lazily not apply the brakes while stopped (assuming I’m not in a precarious place like in a left turn lane or last in line).
What do you do?
Same. You described double clutching.
 

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You guys really got me wondering about how you are downshifting. I actually do this almost every time I slow down from 50 or under. Before I apply the brakes in a quick smooth manner
Clutch in, N, clutch out
Blip throttle to raise engine speed to about 3,500 rpm (less if below 50 mph)
Clutch in, 3rd, clutch out
Apply brakes
When speed is under 20 mph, clutch in, N, clutch out, brake to stop in N.
Then try to find a nice small pot hole to rest my tire in so I can lazily not apply the brakes while stopped (assuming I’m not in a precarious place like in a left turn lane or last in line).
What do you do?
Sounds similar to me, except I keep the revs low unless I'm looking to power through some corners, and now traffic circles to avoid any more accidents.
 
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