[JibbersCrabst]

Well here I am again with another rear main seal leak. Just a quick history, I bought the car in March 2015, in Nov 2015 the first leak was diagnosed and seal replaced under warranty, then I found it leaking again September 2016 and in Nov 2016 it was replaced again under warranty. For the last few weeks I started noticing a fresh oil smell every time I would get out of the car after driving so I checked it this morning and it is leaking again. Not nearly as bad as the prior 2 leaks but I assume it's early in its failure.

The dealership told me last time that there was an update to the installation procedure for the rear main seal and Ford advised them not to use some special pressing tool to install it. They promised this was why it was leaking and stated they ruled out any other causes such as crankcase pressure, or crank problems. At this point I am about done with my ST and with Ford in general. My transmission has also started popping out of 2nd gear within the past few months which seems to be a common issue based on transmission failure thread I found on here. This will require a full trans replacement as I understand they are not serviceable. At this point would it be too much for me to expect a full drive train replacement under warranty? I really don't want to get rid of this car. Despite all of the issues I actually rather like it, and would prefer to avoid the financial burden of having to buy another car after only 2 years.

Input? Suggestions?

 

[UnfocusedST]

Lemon law it if you can and get a new one.

Sent from another garage.

 

[JibbersCrabst]

I bought my car used and as I understand it my states lemon law only cover cars purchased new.

 

[UnfocusedST]

Well hopefully this fix corrects the issue.

Sent from another garage.

 

[SIstomper]

The cup for the seal has to be used when installing or the seal will roll. That sounds like a BS excuse. More than likely all 3 times they didnt remove the pan which in the manual it clearly states has to be done to insure seal. In this pic you'll see how it has to sit on the block and there is no way to seal it with the pan on. Mazda guys have had this issue for ever (same block)

 

[Burnboy]

Well that's interesting. Slstomper might just be on to something there. Another thread where the quality of dealership technicians has taken a dump over the years.

 

[Recycler]

Well that's interesting. Slstomper might just be on to something there. Another thread where the quality of dealership technicians has taken a dump over the years.

http://www.autonews.com/article/201...n---and-can-relieve---a-shortage-of-mechanics

 

[Unfitproduct]

The cup for the seal has to be used when installing or the seal will roll. That sounds like a BS excuse. More than likely all 3 times they didnt remove the pan which in the manual it clearly states has to be done to insure seal. In this pic you'll see how it has to sit on the block and there is no way to seal it with the pan on. Mazda guys have had this issue for ever (same block)

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I let the mechanic guys know that the oil pan has to come for the main seal repair, lol they added on an extra 100$. I told them you can take the pan off in 5 min. The guy at the front counter looked the info up on the internet and stated it takes 30 min....I looked at him and said "not if you have Pneumatic tools or electric".
This will be the 3rd time the transmission housing has to come out. I believe my SPEC clutch plate is now fuked up due to slipping...I hope I don't have to buy a whole new pressure plate and clutch plate.


Probably will...I'll get a call from them stating my clutch system is bad and they can't put it back in due to discoloration and dmg. (assuming)

 

[chronos]

Well here I am again with another rear main seal leak. Just a quick history, I bought the car in March 2015, in Nov 2015 the first leak was diagnosed and seal replaced under warranty, then I found it leaking again September 2016 and in Nov 2016 it was replaced again under warranty. For the last few weeks I started noticing a fresh oil smell every time I would get out of the car after driving so I checked it this morning and it is leaking again. Not nearly as bad as the prior 2 leaks but I assume it's early in its failure.

The dealership told me last time that there was an update to the installation procedure for the rear main seal and Ford advised them not to use some special pressing tool to install it. They promised this was why it was leaking and stated they ruled out any other causes such as crankcase pressure, or crank problems. At this point I am about done with my ST and with Ford in general. My transmission has also started popping out of 2nd gear within the past few months which seems to be a common issue based on transmission failure thread I found on here. This will require a full trans replacement as I understand they are not serviceable. At this point would it be too much for me to expect a full drive train replacement under warranty? I really don't want to get rid of this car. Despite all of the issues I actually rather like it, and would prefer to avoid the financial burden of having to buy another car after only 2 years.

Input? Suggestions?

Get new synchros from Speed Performance out of New Jersey. They have redesigned and waaaay improved synchros to alleviate the issue compeltely with your second gear and the other gears and 2nd gear is not the only problematic one.

 

[SIstomper]

I dont think they're redesigned. They are coated stock syncros. We installed them in a tranny not too long ago

 

[JibbersCrabst]

Get new synchros from Speed Performance out of New Jersey. They have redesigned and waaaay improved synchros to alleviate the issue compeltely with your second gear and the other gears and 2nd gear is not the only problematic one.

fker is under warranty I ain't payin for nothing! They "couldn't duplicate the issue" when I took it in to have the rear main seal done for the first time. I had a new oem cluch put in when they did the rear main (said they can't install non OEM parts during warranty work) and they tried to say that the car was popping out of 2nd because the clutch was dragging which I knew was bull**** because it would do it in every gear if it was the clutch. Lo and behold the next morning after I picked it up it popped out of 2nd 3 times on my way to work. This was early may when the work was done by the way and I'm already starting to smell an oil leak again. I'll be getting under it to check this weekend. I'm about done with this POS.

 

[chronos]

fker is under warranty I ain't payin for nothing! They "couldn't duplicate the issue" when I took it in to have the rear main seal done for the first time. I had a new oem cluch put in when they did the rear main (said they can't install non OEM parts during warranty work) and they tried to say that the car was popping out of 2nd because the clutch was dragging which I knew was bull**** because it would do it in every gear if it was the clutch. Lo and behold the next morning after I picked it up it popped out of 2nd 3 times on my way to work. This was early may when the work was done by the way and I'm already starting to smell an oil leak again. I'll be getting under it to check this weekend. I'm about done with this POS.

Bring the issue to Ford Corporate. See if they can help. Dealers sell Ford Products, but aren't actually direct Ford Employees. Stealerships can ruin an experience for a buyer real bad, such as this. The car is a good car. The people fixing **** are assholes.

 

[chronos]

I dont think they're redesigned. They are coated stock syncros. We installed them in a tranny not too long ago

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So coating the synchros was enough of a fix? I find that hard to believe.

 

[JibbersCrabst]

The last time I spoke to Ford corporate about an issue they immediately referred me to the dealership. I don't have a lot of faith in Ford. I'll probably give them another shot before I decide to offload the car but I'm in a position where my warranty will be up soon and I'm not going to pay $1200 twice a year to replace my rear main out of warranty, or replace/fix my transmission out of warranty once it finally fails. Really sucks because I actually like this car and don't want to get rid of it.