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I was really itching to drive my car to work today , but its like 15°F, so last night I googled "summer tires in the winte", and I read a warning that summer tire compound gets really hard like plastic in the cold, and can crack, and chip.


Fast forward to this morning on my way to work, I see a '16 white FoST on the side of the interstate with the left front tire basically broken off the rim. I'm not saying it was summer tires, but I bet it was, if this is the same guy I see regularly his car had dealer plates recently so it was brand new.
 

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Tire Tech Information - Don't Drive Summer Performance Tires in Cold Temperatures

"Whether you blame it on climate change, a polar vortex or what seems to be the beginning of the next ice age, there's no doubt recent weather patterns have exposed many drivers to freezing temperatures and wintery driving conditions. In anticipation of the next time Mother Nature extends her cold reach, drivers with vehicles equipped with summer performance tires need to know those tires are not designed for near- or below-freezing temperatures on clear roads, nor in slush, snow and ice.

When faced with near- and below-freezing temperatures, drivers should leave their summer performance tire-equipped vehicle at home and drive a vehicle equipped with all-season or winter tires.

Summer performance tires feature tread compounds engineered to provide traction in warm to hot ambient temperatures. They were never intended to experience near- and below-freezing temperatures, nor the wintry driving conditions that often accompany them.

As ambient temperatures get colder, typically in the 40-45° Fahrenheit range, summer performance tires lose a noticeable percentage of traction as their tread compound rubber properties change from a pliable elastic to inflexible plastic. The tire industry uses the term "glass transition" to describe the temperature where a summer performance tire's grip/slip performance changes dramatically. This means the summer performance tires that provide predictable traction in warm to hot conditions will be found to be very challenging to drive in cold to freezing temperatures. This is especially true when the tires first begin to be driven or if the driver aggressively applies gas pedal pressure with today's turbocharged fours or high-torque sixes and eights. Fortunately, glass transition is a reversible condition that allows the tires' normal traction to return as the ambient temperatures climb.

If ambient temperatures drop to near- or below-freezing, driving or rolling a vehicle equipped with summer performance tires risks the possibility of tread compound cracking. Tread compound cracking is a permanent condition that requires the tires to be replaced. The other condition that can be caused by running summer performance tires in cold temperatures is the possibility of chipping away the edges of the tread blocks.

Since both of these conditions only occur as the result of what's considered improper use or storage, they are not typically covered by the manufacturer's warranty."
 

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I bought the ST shortly before winter, and rode out buying other tires until it was already snowing. Those F1's tried to kill me more then once, and when I was backing out of my steep driveway to go get new tires put on, I lightly applied the brakes and realized that I was still moving and slid right into traffic lanes (really really not good). I will say that the F1's were possibly the worst tire I have ever owned, warm or cold.
 

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I bought the ST shortly before winter, and rode out buying other tires until it was already snowing. Those F1's tried to kill me more then once, and when I was backing out of my steep driveway to go get new tires put on, I lightly applied the brakes and realized that I was still moving and slid right into traffic lanes (really really not good). I will say that the F1's were possibly the worst tire I have ever owned, warm or cold.
The F1 is actually a great tire in the warm (Not up to par with performance tires like PSS/Nittos/etc but still) however below 40 degrees with mine if I gunned it they would literally just spin and spin.

I was really itching to drive my car to work today , but its like 15°F, so last night I googled "summer tires in the winte", and I read a warning that summer tire compound gets really hard like plastic in the cold, and can crack, and chip.

Yeah I didn't hesitate to go out and buy a winter setup. 475 bucks later and I had 4 17" Momo winter IIs and a set of 90% tread X-ice tires. Way better.
Fast forward to this morning on my way to work, I see a '16 white FoST on the side of the interstate with the left front tire basically broken off the rim. I'm not saying it was summer tires, but I bet it was, if this is the same guy I see regularly his car had dealer plates recently so it was brand new.
 

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Yeah summer tires in the winter is a huge no no. Just you tube "summer tires in winter". Some manufacturers will not even sell you a car in the winter with summer tires equipped on the vehicle. I just parked my '13 Mustang GT when I had it with the factory summer tires once the temps reached into the low 40's. The real risk is getting out on the road and getting into an emergency situation and injuring yourself or someone else when you loose control of the vehicle.
 

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Just got a set of the BF Goodrich G-Force Sport Comp 2 A/S. Love them! They handled a trip to see the fam in Oregon over the last Holiday. Made it over the mountain passes with about 2 in of snow with no problems. I personally don't have to worry about snow, just temps and rain. If I lived where I had to deal with snow, I'd just buy a second cheap set with Blizzaks.
 

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Just got a set of the BF Goodrich G-Force Sport Comp 2 A/S. Love them! They handled a trip to see the fam in Oregon over the last Holiday. Made it over the mountain passes with about 2 in of snow with no problems. I personally don't have to worry about snow, just temps and rain. If I lived where I had to deal with snow, I'd just buy a second cheap set with Blizzaks.
Glad to hear! I have the same tire, so it's nice to know they hold their own in the snow.
 

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Just got a set of the BF Goodrich G-Force Sport Comp 2 A/S. Love them! They handled a trip to see the fam in Oregon over the last Holiday. Made it over the mountain passes with about 2 in of snow with no problems. I personally don't have to worry about snow, just temps and rain. If I lived where I had to deal with snow, I'd just buy a second cheap set with Blizzaks.
Just bought a set of these getting them installed tomorrow. And the price was stupid cheap.


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The F1 is actually a great tire in the warm (Not up to par with performance tires like PSS/Nittos/etc but still) however below 40 degrees with mine if I gunned it they would literally just spin and spin.
THIS. Don't even try to run F1's in PA winters to my fellow PA resins.
 

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I'm still on my summers and have yet to have an issue even while its in the teens at night here; however this will ruin the compound of the tire. So far I have not seen any indications of the tires performance failing so far while driving to work or anywhere else this winter, but then again I do not drive like a complete pillock either. They will be coming off monday morning anyway with the precip wanting to move in later this week.
 

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I made it til this past Monday in the Chicago area with my summers still on.

Got 8 inches of snow this past weekend and I tried to go to work at 5am on Monday morning. The roads weren't totally packed with snow, but they weren't completely clear and they hadn't been salted in a while. I made it two blocks and then I got stuck as I was trying to turn around to go back home.

I reluctantly (I'm turning the car in within a week or so) threw on my winter wheels and god damn the Blizzak lm60s stick well.
 
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