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Hi all:

I was driving home Monday, and my car suddenly lost power. No CEL, but barely revs, was drivable, but took forever to get up to speed - luckily main streets around 30-35mph. I have an Gen 2 Automatic adapter and also own DashCommand.

I have it pull codes, and I see P0087, and P00C6 (ECU Failure). I start and restart car in case it's a fluke, it barely starts (turns over 5-6 seconds before it does). I get home and restart my car again, CEL illuminates, only P0087 is stored.

Some history - I just filled up on the way home (Mobil - Premium), but drove around 25 miles or so before it presented itself as a problem.

I dropped it at the dealer Tuesday morning (had it towed). They said something about replacing a fuel sensor, then call me today and tell me they don't know what's wrong and that no codes were present. I told them about P0087 and they went back to look at it.

Just now they called saying the car "seems OK", and to run through my tank of gas, even though the CEL is still on. I told them no - no ****ing way I could even think about driving it on a highway. So then they said "well, we could drain the gas but you gotta pay for it. If it's not gas I think we'll reimburse you"

So, now they are checking on the fee and "some other things"...

I guess my questions are,
1) If it was bad gas, does this sound right?
2) If others have experience with this, IS it the fuel pump? High pressure or otherwise?
3) What should I tell these guys if they still insist on draining the tank?

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Sounds like the same thing when my HPFP went out. Start there. When my car failed I checked the fuel rail pressure when it was "acting up" and it was super low. It would will start (reluctantly) and drive but definitely no power for sure. I limped it to the dealer and they replaced it for free.
 

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Your case sounds just like mine. At 1pm EST (1hr40min ago) they said they would call me right back...

If I don't hear from them by 3, I'll call them.

Anyone know of any TSB's or anything regarding the HPFP?

They have had my car 2 days and it sounds like they are still making speculations and scratching their heads...
 

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Your case sounds just like mine. At 1pm EST (1hr40min ago) they said they would call me right back...

If I don't hear from them by 3, I'll call them.

Anyone know of any TSB's or anything regarding the HPFP?

They have had my car 2 days and it sounds like they are still making speculations and scratching their heads...
They called back. They are adamant that it's bad gas, and want $500 to drop the tank and drain it. IF it's not the problem, I'm not on the hook. But if it is, I now burned $500.

They claim that even though it still says low pressure, they read the pressure and it's OK...
 

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Called another dealer - they recommended that my dealer takes a fuel sample.

Called my dealer back - they said that it's "impossible to do because of antitheft stuff" and the only way is to drop tank.

Does this really sound right? I told them to stop working on it - taking it to another dealer.
 

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Called another dealer - they recommended that my dealer takes a fuel sample.

Called my dealer back - they said that it's "impossible to do because of antitheft stuff" and the only way is to drop tank.

Does this really sound right? I told them to stop working on it - taking it to another dealer.
Should be able to disconnect a quick connect on a fuel line from the tank and prime the fuel pump by turning on the ignition and command the pump to run using the IDS scan tool rather than having to drop the tank.
 

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Should be able to disconnect a quick connect on a fuel line from the tank and prime the fuel pump by turning on the ignition and command the pump to run using the IDS scan tool rather than having to drop the tank.

They claim that won't give accurate results and that lab work will take too long.

I told them to go and do what they have to do. If it's not fuel they said ESP will cover it as part of diagnosis. If it really is bad fuel I'll go after gas station...

I'm just sick of dealing with this.


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They claim that won't give accurate results and that lab work will take too long.

I told them to go and do what they have to do. If it's not fuel they said ESP will cover it as part of diagnosis. If it really is bad fuel I'll go after gas station...

I'm just sick of dealing with this.


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How would it take longer than dropping the tank?
 

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He stated because they would have to send it out to a lab for analysis. Whatever. At this point I don't give a **** anymore. If the car was running right now I would trade it in. This is the icing on the ****-cake which is my ST


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Quick update on this.

Almost 4 weeks later I get my car back. Yes, it's fixed, but after my last post, I told them to go ahead and drop the tank, even though I threatened to tow my car elsewhere.

They confirmed water, but said they didn't have sample anymore. Now I'm responsible for all charges. Notify police, notify departments of weights and measures, notify insurance.

I'm sure that dealer is full of ****, but have no way to prove it, and because by the time someone tests the gas station, I'm told it's probably too late to find anything at gas station.

Long story short, I'm shopping for a new car now. I have an ESP, and I still have zero faith in Ford and my car.

I'm done.
 

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Quick update on this.

Almost 4 weeks later I get my car back. Yes, it's fixed, but after my last post, I told them to go ahead and drop the tank, even though I threatened to tow my car elsewhere.

They confirmed water, but said they didn't have sample anymore. Now I'm responsible for all charges. Notify police, notify departments of weights and measures, notify insurance.

I'm sure that dealer is full of ****, but have no way to prove it, and because by the time someone tests the gas station, I'm told it's probably too late to find anything at gas station.

Long story short, I'm shopping for a new car now. I have an ESP, and I still have zero faith in Ford and my car.

I'm done.
Is your car actually fixed?
 

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Hpfp
 

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Yes. Car is fixed. Yes it was the HPFP, which they claimed was due to water in tank even though I drove 25 miles after filling up.


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Sounds like the dealer was just trying to make your wallet a little lighter. $500 sounds excessive just to drop the fuel tank and look inside.
 

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Sounds like the dealer was just trying to make your wallet a little lighter. $500 sounds excessive just to drop the fuel tank and look inside.
I agree. I threatened to tow my car elsewhere and they convinced me to leave it there. I should have trusted my gut.

So, as a result, Sentry Ford in Medford will never get my business again. I will tell everyone I know not to go there, and I will never own a Ford again.


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I agree. I threatened to tow my car elsewhere and they convinced me to leave it there. I should have trusted my gut.

So, as a result, Sentry Ford in Medford will never get my business again. I will tell everyone I know not to go there, and I will never own a Ford again.


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I've dealt with many good and bad dealerships in my life. I tend to blame the dealerships for dealership problems, not the manufacturer. Almost all manufacturers has both good and bad.
 

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I've dealt with many good and bad dealerships in my life. I tend to blame the dealerships for dealership problems, not the manufacturer. Almost all manufacturers has both good and bad.
Yes - true. But it's all of the failures of the vehicle and shoddy manufacturing that brought me into the dealer, so I put 50% of the blame on Ford and 50% on the dealer.

42 months of ownership, and my car has been in the shop for 3 of them.


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Yes - true. But it's all of the failures of the vehicle and shoddy manufacturing that brought me into the dealer, so I put 50% of the blame on Ford and 50% on the dealer.

42 months of ownership, and my car has been in the shop for 3 of them.


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Fair enough...didn't know you had several other problems. I feel the same way about Chevy. :D
 
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