I'd also like to hear from some of the tuners and those that have a good grasp on which sensors (other than lambda) offset and/or adjust the fuel trims and ignition tables. And which tables affect valve timing. All of these are critical for maximum performance and safe use of nitrous.
Let's talk nitrous oxide
I've searched and only come up with an occasional post, and the rest refer to the color.
I'd like to get some experienced discussion going about it, and how it can be used with our cars. What I don't want are uneducated and inexperienced comments about how its guaranteed to blow your engine.
I've been installing, tuning, destroying things with, and learning more about nitrous for the better part of 20 years now. Yes, it can turn a cylinder into an awe inspiring plasma cutter when things fail or people get crazy with a tune. But the same can be said for most any power adder.
I'd like to get some experienced discussion going about it, and how it can be used with our cars. What I don't want are uneducated and inexperienced comments about how its guaranteed to blow your engine.
I've been installing, tuning, destroying things with, and learning more about nitrous for the better part of 20 years now. Yes, it can turn a cylinder into an awe inspiring plasma cutter when things fail or people get crazy with a tune. But the same can be said for most any power adder.
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Other than to aid in spooling a big turbo, there is little else you can use it for. Its a cheap power adder for sure... When tuned for. But its applications are limited on a forced induction vehicle
That's typically what it's used for, but a dry shot pre-turbo offers tremendous potential for forced induction guys. Especially small turbo guys. Atmospheric air is 20% oxygen, and a molecule of nitrous oxide is 33% oxygen. Injected pre-turbo has an effect similar to stretching everything to the right on a compressor map.Other than to aid in spooling a big turbo, there is little else you can use it for. Its a cheap power adder for sure... When tuned for. But its applications are limited on a forced induction vehicle
As far as tuning for it with our cars, that's where I'm hoping some others will chime in about the offset tables.
Nitrous comes out of a fully charged bottle around 120 degrees below 0, chills and condenses the air around it. Allowing that super chilled air to cross the ait sensor should richen the mixture quite a bit, and little else would probably be required for say a 25-35 shot.
That's why I'm opening this discussion. I personally love nitrous and am hoping to learn how much tuning room we have for it.
Nitrous comes out of a fully charged bottle around 120 degrees below 0, chills and condenses the air around it. Allowing that super chilled air to cross the ait sensor should richen the mixture quite a bit, and little else would probably be required for say a 25-35 shot.
That's why I'm opening this discussion. I personally love nitrous and am hoping to learn how much tuning room we have for it.
WRONG, why don't you try looking up results from people that run it on top of the turbo charger?Other than to aid in spooling a big turbo, there is little else you can use it for. Its a cheap power adder for sure... When tuned for. But its applications are limited on a forced induction vehicle
SRT-4, Stage 3R made 384 whp off the bottle
50 Shot = 479 hp
75 Shot = 520 hp
Stock block, few gallons of 110 low lead + water-methanol injection
2g DSM (On You Tube)
401 whp off the bottle (24 psi)
75 hp 24 psi = 585 hp
75 hp 27 psi = 621 hp
I didn't want to talk about this just yet but I guess I can spill the beans a little.As far as tuning for it with our cars, that's where I'm hoping some others will chime in about the offset tables.
Nitrous comes out of a fully charged bottle around 120 degrees below 0, chills and condenses the air around it. Allowing that super chilled air to cross the ait sensor should richen the mixture quite a bit, and little else would probably be required for say a 25-35 shot.
That's why I'm opening this discussion. I personally love nitrous and am hoping to learn how much tuning room we have for it.
I also have experience with nitrous oxide, used to sell Nitrous Express kits and love it!
Four things inspired me to install nitrous on my '16 Focus ST
1) My tuner Torrie from Unleashed installed a Compucar Street Heat kit on his ST. Made 74 hp over stock with the smallest jet Compucar provides. His car was completely stock and had Snow Stage 1 water-methanol system on it.
2) Snow Performance put a Juice Box + Snow Stage 2 kit + NX 75 hp dry shot and made 427 hp on an otherwise dead stock (from the air box to the muffler) BMW 135i.
3) I always meant to install nitrous on my Stage 3R Neon SRT-4 to crack 500+hp on the stock block while keeping the quick spooling Stage 3 turbo charger I just bought.
4) Water Methanol can act as the fuel source for dry nitrous system, making it a wet system with 50% methanol as fuel.
* A BMW 135 made 90 hp with 35 hp jets + 70/30 water-methanol
I have an NX Dry Compact EFI system installed along with a NX Maxmizer 4 progressive controller. I wanted to run more than a messily 35 hp shot and I will. Even so a 35 hp shot puts you in same league with those with turbo upgrades on pump gas.
Ghettojay -
Man, you should put down some killer numbers. When you headed to the dyno?
I've thought about installing the nozzle just before the throttle body, how do you like the results?![]()
Heres one more of my set up. 75 wet shot
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Is that a single nozzle? Injected in a tb spacer? Any tuning for it, or timing retard? Tied into existing fuel or using meth? Tps voltage switch, rpm window? Let's get some details!
If this post doesn't generate much interest, I may chat with you one on one. I don't know if it's fear, lack of understanding, or what that causes people to shy away from it.
How about this? If you're curious about nitrous and want a better understanding, ask. Nitrous guys do tend to be tight lipped, and if we were discussing lighting the candles on a progressive 2 gun setup spraying an 800+ shot...well we wouldn't be discussing it! Lol But we are discussing probably at most a progressive or 2 gun with a maximum of a 150 shot, so I will gladly share my knowledge and experience.
How about this? If you're curious about nitrous and want a better understanding, ask. Nitrous guys do tend to be tight lipped, and if we were discussing lighting the candles on a progressive 2 gun setup spraying an 800+ shot...well we wouldn't be discussing it! Lol But we are discussing probably at most a progressive or 2 gun with a maximum of a 150 shot, so I will gladly share my knowledge and experience.
Knew it was only a matter of time! Lol. Not pointing a finger, by any means, but a person who refers to it as "nos" probably needs to steer clear of this thread before he blows the welds on his manifold.
Sorry, I couldn't resist. I was surprised I hadn't been posted already
No worries. Im surprised myself. I haven't blown any welds to date. ..but I have taco'd a few throttle bodies!
Have you been able to keep the floor pans bolted down?
That movie really bastardized the street scene for quite some time. Smh. Alright, back on topic.
Anybody know the specs on the oe in tank pump? And you guys that are spraying, how much is your wg dc% going up?
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