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Hey guys. So last night I stopped to get gas at about 9:30 pm and as I rolled into the gas station so did 3 very new STI's. Two were modded and one didn't even have plates yet. My first thought was, as usual, how much I would love to have an STI (especially a hatchback version if they ever bring it back) or even a WRX. I have always enjoyed the styling, sound, and performance. Anyways the drivers got out and were the ultimate bros just bragging about their cars out loud, talking smack, revving engines, and just looking for attention.

They pulled out just a bit before me and immediately started racing down the street weaving in and out of cars and I started to rethink my admiration for the WRX/STI because I often see this type of person driving them. Perhaps one day I will have a subbie still. I just have to see if I trust their engines, but for some reason this interaction tainted the dream for me.

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Every group has those people. Plenty of level headed people out there I'm sure. Don't let outliers sway the image you have. I'm in some ST groups on Facebook and some are just the douchiest of douches.
LOL I have avoided FB groups for the ST because that is all I have seen/heard it how many d-bags are on there bragging, calling each-other out, saying their car is faster, etc. The people I have met off this forum have all been awesome. I know what you mean about not letting the 1% ruin it for me, but I seem to see them a lot. Every now and then I will pull up to a super cool guy in a subbie who will give me a thumbs up or a nod.
 

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Man I was in the same boat, then I drove an STI. They are very nice to drive and I plan on buying one soon now lol


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Man I was in the same boat, then I drove an STI. They are very nice to drive and I plan on buying one soon now lol


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It's not in the cards for me financially right now (wedding next year and saving up for down payment on a home). I also REALLY want them to bring the hatch back, but then I also worry that it will be so popular that the price will be marked up really high.
 

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I really love the look of the 2011 Hatchbacks but Subaru's interiors are 10x more terrible than our ST's.
The interiors leave something to be desired, but they are utilitarian by nature and they don't bother me. My last car was a Honda Element which had vinyl floors, plastic everywhere, and very basic seats. Meh.
 

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It's not in the cards for me financially right now (wedding next year and saving up for down payment on a home). I also REALLY want them to bring the hatch back, but then I also worry that it will be so popular that the price will be marked up really high.
I don't blame you there at all man, I'll probably get this model years and then give it a few after the 2020 refresh to reconsider.


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So far for me it's been

ST 2
Subie hatch 0

I refuse to buy anything other than a hatchie.
Ive bought two STs since they stopped making hatches
 

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OP pretty much nailed it in my book. Proof...
1. The number of WRX/STI drivers that have tried to race the Crosstrek (trek is a 0-60 in 10 second car for reference, so they wasted their gas on nothing)
2. The number of Crosstrek owners that were former WRX/STI owners. Their first question is always about putting coilovers on the trek (no idea why they bought a lifted Impreza to drop it). Their second question is always about unequal length headers and straight pipes for the trek (again no idea why you want a trek if you want to do that).

Ultimately I get it. People can enjoy their cars and do what they want. However other than a few interactions most WRX/STI interactions I have had did not leave a good impression of the group. To be fair... There are always some on both sides in every car group.
 
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Every group has those people. Plenty of level headed people out there I'm sure. Don't let outliers sway the image you have. I'm in some ST groups on Facebook and some are just the douchiest of douches.
There are some straight d***heads on the Facebook group with primarily U.K. Members. Can't even take jokes.

I considered getting a modded WRX hatch from my work but after driving a tuned up ST I lost interest. They are decent cars but don't have that crap your pants feel like the ST can provide.

Not to mention when you have an e30 tune and smoke an STI from a roll they get extremely butt hurt lol


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They are nice cars. They are not as perfect as their drivers would like to make you believe, which does get annoying when you talk with them. Thankfully the douchebag STI scene here is extremely small compared to the older IT worker scene. Either that or I don't notice them as much as the Golf crew. I am sure there are some toxic ST groups running around as well, but seeing another ST is rare enough around here.
 

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People buy STI's because they can't afford a GTR. Same crowd in my book, just one of them makes more for a living.
 

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My Ex has a 2015 CVT WRX that I spent a lot of time in. Not a bad car, a great DD IMO.

I had a RHD JDM WRX for a couple years, only thing I liked was winter hooning and the UEL rumblies.

I drove a 2017 STI yesterday and it didn't feel as substantial/good as a Focus RS. And it uses a 10+ year old engine (EJ257) with a poor track record of reliability and with stock internals/fueling they aren't good for much more than 350whp. The current gen STI has a lot of ground to cover to catch up to the RS.

The RS is leaps and bounds better. I'll start from the bottom (literally) ... the OEM tires that come with the RS are 10x better than the crap the STI comes with. RS gets a reasonably priced winter wheel package, much more advanced AWD system, more substantial/planted feeling, way more solid interior (only thing I like about the STI is the digital LCD data/info display at the center-top of the dash - crushes the little sliver of vague analog readings consisting of needles moving up and down in the ST/RS).

Not to mention nearly +50hp and +50tq. The RS engine is tuned by Cosworth, and the RS will make considerably more power over an STI when similarly modded/tuned.

Subies are also way too common where I live so I don't even get excited when I see them. My ears will always perk up for that UEL rumble though. :)
 

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I actually just replaced my ST with a 17 STI a couple months ago.

I did consider an RS, but dealers around weren't playing ball, and really it would've negated the main reason I was trading in. I needed more passenger space, especially in the rear (have a 2yr old, likely another on the way). I still wanted a small-ish car that was fun to drive, but had all the practicality I needed. The back seat space is so much more useful than the Focus st/rs.

But anyways, as far as image is concerned, the WRX/STI has been around in the US longer, so its gotten a lot more time to attract certain not-so-great people. As others have said, it has already started happening with the ST, especially with its lower price point. It's just a matter of time with almost any performance car and once prices go even lower in the used market.

The RS is indeed a better performer in almost all aspects for sure, and I'd have likely gotten one instead if the need for space wasn't a major factor. I loved my ST and the RS only adds to that.

People buy STI's because they can't afford a GTR. Same crowd in my book, just one of them makes more for a living.
LOL at the STI being a cut-rate GTR - I don't believe at all the the STI and the GTR are the same crowd. That's actually more the EVO with its more spartan take on these economy rockets. The GTR actually makes stupid speed accessibly easy. That's entirely the opposite of the STI, where you really have to work on it to get the most performance and speed out of it. The RS is actually closer to the GTR due to the newer tech, being a lot more forgiving, and much easier to go fast with (let's not even mention the Golf R with its DSG).

The WRX/STI is actually the more practical option, but its reputation (mainly due to previous owners) has preceded it in many bad ways. In reality, its a fun, quick, and quirky car that has awesome all weather capability with the right equipment. It's really not that far off from the ST/RS in terms of its mission - to give you a fun daily driver that can take nearly anything life throws at it. However, people took what it was and just kept pushing it to the status it has now.

Sure, the RS and the STI take a more track-oriented approach, but neither are true sports cars in my mind with the 'weight' of having to be practical as well. They're just that level-up from the ST and WRX. They are indeed substantially more capable and 'racey' feeling, but both still have economy/practical roots which hinder them.

That said, I like all of them and I totally understand the whole 'grass is greener' thing, but rest assured that your ST is awesome and holds its own in the wrx/sti crowd. I wouldn't say you're 'not missing out on much' - but its just a different take on the same formula. They're all fun cars with different attitudes.
 

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my girlfriend has a neglected 02 wrx hatch with only 140k miles and it is a piece of junk, and a pain to work on. I'm already tired of working on it and trying to figure out why it runs like ****, already has a new timing kit and water pump, various sensors, plugs, coils, fuel filter)
I'm sure more well maintained ones would be more fun to have :D

sometimes I still regret the ST and I should have went for a new WRX.
They sure hold their value way better. WAY. BETTER.
 
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