U need to reach out to Mipwnyew. He sold his though when he traded in his ST

Becareful of the Buschur. It hangs below the wind diffuser and you have to cut a hole in the protective panel underneath. Mipwnyew said he never had issues hitting anything but it hung down another few inches than it should have.

YellowfocusSTman

 

That's something else I saw that has me a bit miffed. I actually tried to buy his before he even started his for sale thread but he didn't want to ship. To be honest, I think I've already sold myself on the ATP, especially since I've found it for $619 shipped outside the world of this forum. Just concerned that it might not offer quite enough heatsoak resistance for me here in CA.

 

Is there a way to increase the gap while still doin silicone couplers??

 

Same day, other than a few hours difference. Couldn't do a better comparison other than datalogging side by side on a two lane road

GNocide

Silver

 

I'm having the same issue with the gap between the AC compressor and the piping. It's actually pressing up against it pretty good. Chances are I'm not gaining anything from it being like that. When I get a chance I'm going to trim the ends of the piping off to get rid of that problem.

 

Any new data coming soon? I am curious to see how the Mountune and Vortech offerings fit into the scheme of things.

 

Right?! I'm wanting to pull the trigger on the Vortech, but waiting to see solid numbers. This thread may just be what sways me to get a Cobb.

 

I'm pretty sure an eBay IC would be well worth the price over the stock POS.

 

Thats basically what the CXR is. And it performs just as well as the Cobb...

 

Someone had a thread in the Guides section. I believe he got somewhere in the 20* rise range, so not too bad, but not elite performance either. It was about the same as the Levels kit, which makes sense given that they are pretty much the same price.

 

Anyone have any new logs? I'd really like to see how the large Pro Alloy intercooler does.

 

I have the Pro Alloy on mine, I'll get some logs going when I've got my APv3

 

maybe i missed it when going through this thread, but do we have any logs for the FSWERKS intercooler?
FSWERKS Intercooler Kit - Ford Focus ST 2013-2014

 

Ignore!

 

I did a couple of 3rd gear pulls last night with the Pro Alloy intercooler. Still can't figure out how to get the logs to work properly (I'm not using the APv3, I'm using another OBDII interface), but here is what I saw:

1st run
Ambient temp: 14*C
Intake temp at start of pull (2727prm): 25*C
Intake temp at end of pull (5633rpm): 25*C

2nd run
Ambient temp: 21*C
Intake temp at start of pull (2250rpm): 28*C
Intake temp at end of pull (5960rpm): 26*C

I've managed to log a CSV file, but it doesn't want to upload to Datazap properly for some reason! I'll try and get it sorted for you guys to have a look at.

Mods are:

- Pro Alloy FMIC
- Milltek 3" high flow cat
- Milltek 3" CBE
- Revo intake
- Stock tune

Josh

Are you watching "charge air temp"

Sounds like your watching "intake air temp"

 

Yep, ignore that, I've just checked and it's intake air temp. Can't find an option to log charge air, so I'll have to wait until I have the Accessport to get any decent logs going!

 

So I spent some time to compile the following information through most post available on the current FMIC available (lets be honest this **** is all over the place when you are in the market for one...)

Again this was only based on the information available at the post level and with a bit of search... ill be adding more information if theres a request for it.

Some FMIC come up more than one (CXR for now) since I found multiple pull from various cars and different temperature.

If some wants to pitch in to have a proper chart it will make it much easier (i believe) for those in the market for a FMIC. ( If you do please include all current mods which will help narrow down the overall information)

 

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Newbie question.

I see that the ambient temperature for the CXR intercooler is higher then the OEM one. Now....correct me if I'm wrong but lower means better right? So does that mean that the CXR core is not even as efficient as the stock one but I'm guessing it matters how the weather was that day as well right?

 

That chart is awesome, just what I was looking for

 

The beginning of this tread talked a lot about the importance of pressure drop. Reducing it if possible or at least not increasing when going to a bigger core. The only company I have seen mentioning actual figures is Mountune.

44% improvement in pressure drop - 3.4kPa vs. 6kPa (250hp)

Btw, that's 0.87 psi to 0.49 psi...so the stock FMIC is pretty good from the pressure drop stand point. Anyone agree there is value in an 0.38 psi pressure drop reduction??

http://www.mountuneusa.com/mountune-Focus-ST-Intercooler-upgrade-p/2363-ic-aa.htm

 

I have CPE and it sure keeps the temps low. I'm happy to see the chart with CPE having the lowest temps because I seen mines 1 degree lower than ambient and I thought that was odd. I cant speak about pressure drop but the site claims no pressure drop. Im able to hold boost at 26 psi with no prob and spikes at times to 27/28. It will rise 3 to 5 degrees after data logging on 4th gear but it drops back to ambient within a minute or so. It's pricey but I have no regrets.

 

God depos FMIC. Is just looking better and better start temp high but the rises with that price is to nice !

 

There really isn't any worth while data to have a fair comparison in this thread. We need to collect data with a 2nd to 3rd to 4th gear pull - not just a 3rd or 4th pull.

Then, compare the numbers.

 

I didnt only pick information from this thread, I picked from various threads.

Most logs from users are 3rd and 4th gear pull which has the higher peak in boost and brings more heat to the core so those temps are usually the ones shopping around want.

Its not a fair comparison since its not the same temps and situation and altitude but it gives a nice average on what they can achieve which up to now was almost impossible to find.

If each owner can do their pull and the various gear to have a complete an thorough review then yes but I dont think everyone will go out and do those pulls on public roads...

 

Not really practical on public roads but I get what you're saying.

Data logs and time slip thread from 1/4 passes

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Glad i got the CP-e

 

My street/comp steeda which I got or 450.00 usually does better then seven degree rise 3rd gear 1900 rpm towards 6400 rpm, 74 degrees out.

How about a negative degree rise. What beats this FMIC deal for performance vs. price value?

datazap.me | freelanceshots | Mountune 93 new rmm

 

Rule of thumb for intercoolers: bigger is not always better and lower temps don't always equal more power.

Too big of an IC will cause a drop in pressure thus overworking the turbo beyond its efficiency range. You might be seeing lower CAT's but you are losing flow and efficiency.

Most ST owners will never need a core larger than the CXR core because anything beyond that will pretty much be a waste.

 

But a bigger IC than our current stock IC is still better, but only up to a certain point. I've read through this entire thread last night, gotta say, very informative stuff. From my understanding, the ideal setup for us is a larger FMIC that minimizes loss in pressure while maximizing reductions in CAT's.

 

I'll always remember what my friend told me years ago that it's not about the length of width of the core itself - it's all about the thickness of the core. Even if a person get's the same size core as our OEM intercooler as long as the aftermarket one is thicker and made better that's all that matters. I don't know if that's true or not but to me it makes sense.

 

U want more surface are to fresh air and less thickness for best heat dissipation