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There aren't too many datalogs posted on the forum and one of the reasons for this is that the forum doesn't have native support for hosting the .csv file type and people are a little reluctant to log.

Here's a quick crash course on how to log and how to share/post these to generate discussion. You don't need ATR to download, view, and share logs. With a modified car, it is always good to periodically take logs and make sure there are no issues. This is also an excellent way to check how the tune you are running performing with your fuel and modifications.

1. First of all, make sure you have the correct map loaded on your AP and that you've driven the car with that map and the usual fuel you use for a good 20-40 miles to allow fuel trims to settle.
2. Set the correct logging parameters in the AP. We created a short video on how to change logging parameters for the AP V3. This is the same for the Focus or any other platform supported by the COBB AP V3.


COBB has also posted a number of useful videos. This following one is for the AP V2


3. A basic set of parameters to log are these:

Accelerator Pedal Position (The throttle pedal position. This is not the same as the throttle plate since the car is drive by wire. This is just what the driver is doing with the pedal)
Actual AFR (Yes the car comes with a stock wideband O2!. This is the actual AFR. Lower numbers are richer, higher numbers are leaner)
Airflow Mass (The Focus ST uses speed density to estimate actual mass airflow using its pre and post throttle pressure sensors. It is a calculation based on a model, not a direct measurement like MAF based cars)
Boost Pressure Actual (Boost measured at the manifold)
Charge Air Temp. – (CAT) (This is the temperature measured AFTER the intercooler before the throttle body. If too high power will be reduced and it tells you if your intercooler is overworked)
Coolant Temperature (Important for the car to be warm when logging. ECU applies compensations based on coolant temperature)
Engine Speed (Engine RPM)
ETC Actual Angle (The throttle plate position angle)
Fuel Rail Pressure Actual (What pressure the injectors are seeing. This is important that it stays constant at WOT around 2100-2200psi)
Ignition Timing Corr. Cyl (1-4) (This is where the ECU pulls timing mostly due to knock. If you see large negative corrections you need to adjust the tune for the fuel you are using)
Ignition Timing (Cyl 1) (This is the amount of timing advance currently running after all reductions are applied)
Load Actual (Amount of load the engine is seeing. This is related to airflow and engine speed and is used in a lot of engine calculations)
WGDC Actual (Wastegate Duty Cycle - this is what controls your boost pressure)
STFT (Short Term Fuel Trim - these are quickly changing corrections to the fueling mixture based on the feedback from the wideband O2)
LTFT (Long Term Fuel Trim - these are learned correction factors based on feedback from the wideband O2)

A more advanced list is this:

- Accel Pedal Position
- Actual AFR
- Boost Pressure
- Charge Air Temp.
- Coolant Temp.
- ETC Angle Actual
- Engine RPM
- FRP Actual
- Ign Corr. Cyl1
- Ign Corr. Cyl2
- Ign Corr. Cyl3
- Ign Corr. Cyl4
- Ign Timing Cyl3
- LTFT
- Load Actual
- Oct Adj Ratio Lrn
- STFT
- WGDC Actual

A note on the parameters being logged. If you are logging all the ones in the advanced list make sure your display parameters are some of these. Adding additional display parameters that are not also logged will exceed the logging bandwidth for the AP and you will get an error to remove some parameters.

4. After setting the AP correctly, take the car to a safe, straight, long piece of road and set the AP to be ready to start logging. Get in 3rd gear or 4th gear and hold the RPMs steady at around 2500RPM.
5. Press the center button of the AP to start the log.
6. Floor the throttle and hold your foot down to redline.
7. Get off the throttle, slow down safely.
8. Stop the log by pressing the center button.

You can repeat steps 4-8 as many times as you like to take more logs.

Datalogs generated by the COBB AP are in the .csv format. This format is can be opened and viewed on your computer with a number of programs. The most popular are:
- Microsoft Excel
- Open Office
- You can upload these to your Google Drive and open them from there. Google Drive has built in support.

Using the AP Manager you can download these logs from your AP. Link to the AP manager below.

COBB Tuning - Ford Accessport V3

Now you want to share these. Simple stuff due to the number of cloud services available.

1. Get an account with Google Drive, Dropbox, etc. It's free and datalogs take very little space so you should have no problem hosing these. I will used Dropbox as an example.

https://www.dropbox.com/

2. Upload the log to your Public Folder on Dropbox.
3. Right click on the log and select -> Copy Public Link.

Paste that link in your thread on the forum like this:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/48912771/Focus ST Logs/2013 Focus Stage 1 93 LT 20130108.csv

Here's something else fun to do to check your performance. If you take logs on a nice, flat, stretch of road you can use these logs to estimate the power your car is making using a tool called Virtual Dyno which is actually free. This is a lot cheaper and if you are consistent can be an excellent tool to see what changes to your tune and hardware are doing:

http://www.virtualdyno.net/

A Vdyno sample below:



Done! Happy Logging and Sharing!
 
#284 ·
I have found similar results. If I run my A/C I get vibrations and I will pretty consistently get negative ignition correction. A/C off and I almost never get negative correction.

I too have the boomba mount. From day to day it can be different with regards to vibrations. Some days as smooth as glass and others not so much. If you over tighten all the bolts on the boomba mount, go past the recommended torque amounts, you can take most of the vibrations out. Days the vibrations are bad I will get negative correction on cyl 4 only even with the A/C off.

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#286 ·
That particular mount has a very small bushing IIRC. Perhaps this is the issue and you are getting some metal rattles/contact.
Another thing to consider is that if the motor vibrations get too great, other peripherals attached to the motor start to vibrate against it.

On the ST we run the OEM E focus mount. On the MazdaSpeed the CPE Stg2 amongst others but even on a stiff mount if it works properly the car should not vibrate especially WOT.
 
#285 ·
Under full load it just caused a lot of body vibration. You could feel it in the whole car when you where wot. I honestly think some the knock sensor may be more sensitive then others. Wire noise or just a variance in the pick up in the knock sensor, I'm planning on buying. A few other mounts and do some more testing but atm other things for the car took priority. The fact the I wasn't able to rely on the knock sensors was hindering my build plan.
 
#287 ·
2 data logs...back to back opposite sides of highway.....may have been a slight incline. Also a vdyno from the second run (first vdyno read like 500 tq-wishful thinking). I'm not liking the negative cyclinder corrections on 1+4. Alex-what'cha think (if you don't mind checking out the logs)?

mods are cai, catted dp, diy ic, intake runner plate, stage 3 tune
 

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#297 ·
I think you guys are mis interpreting how u need to look at it if you think your Rmm is causing the knock. When this whole thing went down it was explain to me that the sensitivity can also be adjusted depending on the tune. He may run a more sensitive setting then the ots map and all that it's going to do is decide that it's knocking sooner then it might actually be. I don't know what settings any one runs as far as that but if it is the same issue I was having then It pulling timing won't harm anything it just might not be all the power it could make. I wouldn't say that there's anything wrong with his tune more u need to find something that doesn't interfere with the motor. Personally having the knock sensors overly sensitive isn't a bad thing. It's another way to have a safety measure to prevent damage.
 
#298 ·
The OTS tune is still very sensitive, my car just didn't like his tune for whatever reason...

I ran Randy's tune on stock mount and my boomba with no more/less knock, like Alex said unless there's something wrong with the mount it wouldn't cause knock..

I understand that randy is like the god tuner around here, but I'm just pointing out my experience..



2013 TS3 ATRtuned
 
#300 ·
I wouldn't say god. He's been doing it for a while and has been one of the people on the forefront of the progression of this platform. He's seen a lot and probably done the most testing beside Cobb them selfs. That's why people take what he says so much. He understands the majority want more power but in a safe reliable way. I think his dyno numbers show that. He might not be the highest hp tune but based on prior experience and you don't have to worry much. That goes a long way with people when u can get good knowledge. I've heard good things about of the tuners here. They all seem to care about there customer. I just like being able to meet and talk to the person that's doing it in person.
 
#301 ·
Wish it were still true. Randys fallen off the map and wont return emails. Maybe i should send one to ken@mountune now... see if he'll reply..

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#304 · (Edited)
you want positive, negative means the knock sensor is picking up knock


holy hell. thats a lot of angry cylinders... you have tried different fuel?

youve got a lot of negative corrections and its on all 4 cyl, usually if its noise it will only be on a cylinder or two... and at 5.9* OF TIMING you really shouldnt be seeing knock... cobb stage 3 is like 9* base for a 91 file.. try the cobb file and see? or maybe some different fuel
 
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#320 ·
Yes, doing so is possible. Alex posted how to do this in a different thread. Here's how:

To add the Boost and AFR columns correctly, make the following setting changes in Virtual Dyno.

1. Go to File -> Options
2. Select the Columns and Profiles Tab
3. Check the boxes next to AFR and Boost
4. In the text box next to AFR enter the exact column name in your logs for AFR. For the COBB AP it is Actual AFR (AFR)
5. Do the same for the Boost text box; Boost Pressure (PSI)
 
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#342 ·
Curious if one of you forum mates could take a look at my #s for me. First datalog I have done. I am a little concerned about my charge temps. Just installed treadstone ic. Dont think they should be rising 30deg with aftermarket ic. Do i have a leak or something? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks

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I wouldn't worry about it man. As some others have stated, you can't judge the efficiency of the IC by CATs alone. Even with normal driving, I'm seeing CATs about 5° above ambient on my Godspeed, so I don't see how some people's logs are showing only 3° rises over a full WOT pull. Something doesn't add up. The build quality just doesn't vary that much between most of these ICs, so there has to be some other factors at play here. Unless you plan on racing or building ur motor and going with a bigger Turbo, that Treadstone is more than good enough for your car. I'm getting a 30° CAT rise too after multiple b2b runs, but I've also seen my largest #s on the Vdyno on the last runs, so I know I'm not getting major heat soak. Those are the #s that are important to me.
 
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#329 ·
Does anyone have an SCT log file with the appropriate parameters pre-done? Not trying to be too lazy, I just wanted to save some trouble. I finally logged my car the other night, but it was solely to provide to Unleashed to tweak my tune and it doesn't contain many of the parameters others here are basing their logs off of. Thanks in advance.
 
#336 ·
I'm curious to see what comes from this and willing to help in any way I can. I just started logging last week, but again, that was solely to send to Torrie. His revised tune did make a huge difference and the car feels totally different now.

I know the AP/SCT parameters may be apples to oranges in some respects, but I was hoping there was a file someone put together similar to the standard file the AP guys are using. I need to go back and read the posts around the conversion spreadsheet for Vdyno so I can play around with that. I guess I will have to go through and look and see what kind of parameters I can actually log with the SCT.
 
#339 ·
This is my first ever datalog with an X4, done with config file from Torrie.
3rd gear datazap.me | mehturt | stock 3rd gear
4th gear datazap.me | mehturt | stock 4th gear
I did not go up to rev limit on 4th since it was very late and the road was not that good (I even saw some rabbits running around).
The car is stock, running 95 fuel (should be equivalent of US 91), ambient temp was around 55 F.
I wanted to take some datalogs prior to installing the tune and switching to 98 or better fuel (US 93).

I have one question as well. Alex wrote on page 2 this: "For Boost, yours is in Kpa. To convert use the following formula: (Boost in KPA - 100)/100*14.5 " So when I convert my boost of let's say 240 to PSI I get 20.3, which looks OK. However if I use some online converter (e.g. 240 Kilopascal to Psi Conversion - Convert 240 Kilopascal to Psi (kPa to Psi) - Pressure Conversion) I get 34 PSI, which does not look that good.
 
#340 ·
240kpa you are reading is absolute. At sea level atmospheric pressure is 100 kpa. So your boost is whatever you get above 100 at sea level. In this case 140 kpa is the gauge reading or boost which is the relative pressure with respect to atmospheric pressure. So your boost is 20psi and atmospheric pressure is the remaining 14.50psi (at sea level).
 
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