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I'm trying to decide on what pads to use when I do a pad upgrade. Ferodo ds2500's were my favorite on my STi but looking at the charts on this site it looks like the Pagid RS42's (4-2 blue) offer a bit more of what I am looking for over the DS2500's. If only they were available for the ST! Anyway, this site may be helpful to some so here it is: Brake Pad Comparison | Race Technologies | Brembo Official Partner
 

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The 2500's will still be a great pad to use. People have a hard on for the HPS pads which imo are utter junk like we all agreed on the Subaru forums... Between those two you posted, I'd buy on price they are so close.
 

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They probably just show what they sell
Agreed. Appears that the pads listed may be limited based on their relationship with Brembo.

I contacted Pagid to see of they will have 4-2 Blues for the US Focus STs. Won't hear back until after the new year.
 

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I'm trying to decide on what pads to use when I do a pad upgrade. Ferodo ds2500's were my favorite on my STi but looking at the charts on this site it looks like the Pagid RS42's (4-2 blue) offer a bit more of what I am looking for over the DS2500's. If only they were available for the ST! Anyway, this site may be helpful to some so here it is: Brake Pad Comparison | Race Technologies | Brembo Official Partner
Awesome charts of info. You never hear about anything besides Hawk pads around the ST.
 

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Just to be clear, "less dust" is the higher number or lower number relative to less/more dust?
 

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Just to be clear, "less dust" is the higher number or lower number relative to less/more dust?
I read it as higher numbers mean less dust, hence a high rating for that particular category.
 

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I read it as higher numbers mean less dust, hence a high rating for that particular category.
I thought so, thank you. My stock pads (which I assume came with the car) still look fine as far as life at 26,650 miles and I just absolutely HATE the amount of dust they produce and how quickly they fade. Here in central PA there are several places where I have to go for work up and down a mountain or two and if I'm not careful with braking they get faded too quickly and scare the crap out of me. Bout to replace them just to increase effectiveness and reduce dust.
 

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Higher performance pads usually produce as much or more dust. I've used Porterfield RS4's before. They are an upgrade that handle heat better than OEM so they will not fade under repeated braking. Initial bite is not too strong, probably similar to OEM on ST MY 14+. I drove some '13 STs and their initial bite was very hard.
You can check their site for fitment since they list pads for ST's '13-'17. :: #1 Race Specialist in The World :: »
 

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Hmm, edit button not working: The Porterfields are R4-S, not RS4.
 

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Hmm, edit button not working: The Porterfields are R4-S, not RS4.
Not too much of a comparison, but shows lots of options and part numbers. A friend put it together, but has since totaled his ST and moved on to Jeep's and off-roading.

http://www.focusst.org/forum/focus-st-brakes/40385-st-brake-guide-excel-doc.html

I've personally tried out Stock and Hawk HPS on the street and DTC-30, DTC-60, and DTC-70 on the track. 60's seem to be the sweet spot for me up front on the track. The 70s worked well but only lasted 1 weekend at a track I usually get 2-3 weekends from with 60s. I'm now on the FNSL6 kit from TCE and am running DTC-60's on those as well.

I have the new Hawk Street/Race pads on the rear (w/ the Frankenbrake kit) and they work really well for being a track focused compound (basically DTC-30's but with tapered edges), only a very small amount of squeaking at a near stop.

I would just look for less dust like a ceramic if I just wanted different street pads.
 
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Cant say I would recommend the HPS pads. I'll have to look into some of these others. I miss the initial bite the stock pads had, the dust is still there, albeit not as bad as stock.
 

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Cant say I would recommend the HPS pads. I'll have to look into some of these others. I miss the initial bite the stock pads had, the dust is still there, albeit not as bad as stock.
I've never used Hawk pads but the HPS graph shows a low initial bite. Looks like they pick up quite a bit of stopping power after a second or so. I've liked Ferodo ds2500 on other cars that I've owned. Hopefully someone using their pads can chime in on how they work for the ST, but that initial bite of the 13's is going to be hard to beat!
 

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Not too much of a comparison, but shows lots of options and part numbers. A friend put it together, but has since totaled his ST and moved on to Jeep's and off-roading.

http://www.focusst.org/forum/focus-st-brakes/40385-st-brake-guide-excel-doc.html

I've personally tried out Stock and Hawk HPS on the street and DTC-30, DTC-60, and DTC-70 on the track. 60's seem to be the sweet spot for me up front on the track. The 70s worked well but only lasted 1 weekend at a track I usually get 2-3 weekends from with 60s. I'm now on the FNSL6 kit from TCE and am running DTC-60's on those as well.

I have the new Hawk Street/Race pads on the rear (w/ the Frankenbrake kit) and they work really well for being a track focused compound (basically DTC-30's but with tapered edges), only a very small amount of squeaking at a near stop.

I would just look for less dust like a ceramic if I just wanted different street pads.

Lots of good info all around...Thanks!

Have you ever used ceramic pads for daily driving? I tried Carbotech Bobcats on my STi and did not like them. Daily driver + some autocross. Low initial bite and inconsistent pedal feel (with braided lines and Castrol SRF fluid). Definitely did not like them on my daily commute on a 55 mph road with lights every mile or so. Tossed them after glazing them at a high speed autocross that our club set up for a local Viper club.
 

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Avoid any web page that intentionally compares brands. It's marketing at that point. (like comparing Dynos...)

Most manufactures publish data, be it written or better yet; graphs and charts of Cf and temperature ranges. Some are better than others at that even.

Don't believe any pad that claims a Cf much over .70mu either. I've seen some that ramp up to .80 or more. That's an insane Cf that I doubt is ever achieved. (but it looks better than Brand B so it's got to be better right?? Riiiight...)

The best key it is to look, learn and work within a FAMILY of pads. Be it Wilwood, Hawk, Carbotech..whatever. At least then there is hope that the "testing" was legit enough that the data shown will compare one of their offerings fairly to the other. It's less about the hard numbers and more about the working ranges you're after.

Also be cautious about moving from brand to brand. That can lead to problems. The transfer lay from Brand A may not play well with Brand B. I can falsely show Brand B to be a poor choice as the new pads won't adhere to the old rotor. Install new rotors and pads would be more ideal. If not a good cleaning with some Emery paper is in order before bedding the new brand. This is not usually required in one brand as they tend to use the same base materials and supplier...and nobody wants to hear how bad their Race Pad was after you moved from their Street pad...that's bad for business.
 

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Lots of good info all around...Thanks!

Have you ever used ceramic pads for daily driving? I tried Carbotech Bobcats on my STi and did not like them. Daily driver + some autocross. Low initial bite and inconsistent pedal feel (with braided lines and Castrol SRF fluid). Definitely did not like them on my daily commute on a 55 mph road with lights every mile or so. Tossed them after glazing them at a high speed autocross that our club set up for a local Viper club.
I've never tried ceramic pads personally, but would appreciate the low dust on the ST considering how bad pretty much all other pads are (granted I've mostly had track pads that completely coat the wheels after 1 day, but even the HPS seem to generate a lot of dust to me). I didn't have the stock pads on too long though (I bought the HPS to have compatible compounds between street and track as @Todd TCE suggested). I don't think to many pads will have the extremely high initial bite of the stockers, but I actually find not having it makes for a much more progressive feel and easier modulation/initial application.
 

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I don't think to many pads will have the extremely high initial bite of the stockers, but I actually find not having it makes for a much more progressive feel and easier modulation/initial application.
The DS2500's have a similar bite to the stock pads for the later model ST's. Nice linear braking. The earlier models using the previous pad compound were much grabbier. No aftermarket performance pad will match their initial bite. When I test drove some '13s I had a hard time getting used to that bite.

But my observations are all for street/autocross applications.
 

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The DS2500's have a similar bite to the stock pads for the later model ST's. Nice linear braking. The earlier models using the previous pad compound were much grabbier. No aftermarket performance pad will match their initial bite. When I test drove some '13s I had a hard time getting used to that bite.

But my observations are all for street/autocross applications.
Perhaps I just expected a similar grab from the HPS after being warmed up. Just hasn't been the case for me. My front rotors were absolutely shot at 50k as well. Pads still had a ton of life. Half tempted to throw the stock pads back on, but I'm sure the girlfriend would headbutt the dash a few times. This has been a great thread so far, those ds2500s have my attention shortly.
 
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