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This info came from the MFBA's forum, and its great. Some of it is F-body related and I will go through and strip out the F-body stuff.

Maximum
Temperature (F) Pad Compound Selection Guide*

Up to 750F Most Semi-Metallic Street Pads including:
- Ferodo DS2500
- Hawk HPS
- Hawk HP Plus
- Hawk DTC-05
- PFC Carbon Metallic
- PFC Z-Rated
- Rofren Ultima Street
- Rofren Euro-Select
- Rofren Street Performance

750F -1000F Street Performance / Limited Track
use pads including:
- Ferodo DS2500
- Ferodo 4003
- Hawk HP Plus
- Hawk Black
- Hawk DTC-30
- Hawk DR-97
- PFC Z-Rated
- Rofren Street Performance
- Raybestos ST-38
- Raybestos ST-43

1000F -1250F Intermediate Race Pads including:
- Ferodo DS3000
- Ferodo DS1-11
- Hawk Blue 9012
- Hawk MT4 Blue
- Hawk HT10
- Hawk DTC-60
- Hawk DTC-70
- PFC 97 Compound
- PFC 01 Compound
- Raybestos ST-42
- Raybestos ST-43
1250F+

Ultra-High Temperature Race Pads including:
- Ferodo DS3000
- Ferodo DS3000+
- Ferodo DS3000 Endurance
- Ferodo DS1-11
- Hawk HT10
- Hawk HT14
- Hawk HT15
- Hawk DTC-60
- Hawk DTC-70
- PFC 01 Compound
- PFC 03 Compound
- Raybestos ST-41
- Raybestos ST-42
- Raybestos ST-43

*The preceding information is provided as a general guide only.
Each pad compound may have other substantially varying factors such as friction level (mu) and torque characteristics.
These factors, in addition to operating temperature range, should be considered when making pad compound choices for your specific application.

-----M3 used as price reference below-----

I've also added a "Paint Killer" column that indicates the pads either have dust that sticks like powder-coating if it gets wet, or they give off glowing embers that will pit your car and wheel paint. If there is a Y in this column I would strongly discourage you from using these on anything other than a race car.

Note, Hawk does not publish CoEff of Friction numbers since they think they are misleading.

Price for M3 should be about the same for 330Ci. Price is for font + rear unless noted.

----------------------USD F&R-----Coefficient-Fade-----Paint----Rotor
Pad-------------------for M3------of Friction-Temp F---Killer?--Wear
AXXIS Deluxe-----------$86--------??-----------716-------N------Very Low
AXXIS Ultimate--------$128--------0.46---------932-------N------Low
Carbotech Panther-----$273--------0.54--------1250-------N------??
Carbotech XP8---------$311--------0.58--------1350-------N------??
Carbotech XP9---------$311--------0.60--------1400-------N------Low
Carbotech XP10--------$343--------0.60+-------1600-------N------??
Carbotech XP11--------$343--------0.60++------1600+------N------??
Ferodo DS2500---------$288 -------0.50--------1000-------N------Low
Ferodo DS3000---------$404 -------0.62--------1382-------Y------Extreme when Cold
Hawk Blue-------------$285--------Medium------1100-------Y------Low Hot, Extreeme Cold
Hawk HT-10------------$337--------High--------1400-------N------Moderate
Hawk HT-14------------$189Front---Very High---1600-------N------Moderate/High
Hawk DTC-70-----------$224Front---High--------???--------?------?
Mintex Xtreme---------$????-------0.5-0.55----1300-------N------Moderate
PF97------------------$248Front---Med High----2000-------Y------Low
PF01------------------$455--------Very High---2000-------N------Very Low
Pagid Blue------------$377--------0.49--------1202-------N------??
Pagid Orange RS4-4----$377--------0.53--------1292-------N------Very Low
Pagid Black RS14------$397--------0.54--------1472-------N------Low
Pagid DrkBlu RS4-2-1--$311--------0.45---------932-------N------Low
Pagid Grey RS15-------$465--------0.62--------1652-------N------??
Pagid Yellow RS19-----$429--------0.49--------1382-------N------Low
Porterfield R4--------$340--------0.50--------????-------N------High
Williams F1.10--------$320--------0.62--------1760-------N------??

More....
Another pad chart;
http://www.zenithmotorsports.com/docs/charts/brake_pad_reference.pdf


BRAKE FLUID comparison chart;
http://www.zenithmotorsports.com/docs/charts/brake_fluid.pdf
FLUID------------- DRY BOILING POINT(*F) -----------WET BOILING POINT (*F)--------------------SUGGESTED MSRP ($/VOLUME)
AP Super 600---------------590-------------- -------------------410------------------------------------------ $18.00/16.9oz

Castrol SRF------------------590-------------------------------- 518------------------------------------------- $69.99/33.8oz

NEO Super DOT 610----------598 ------------------------------421-------------------------------------------- $15.00/12oz

Motul Racing Brake Fluid 600--593------------------------------ 420------------------------------------------ $15.00/16.9oz

Motul DOT 5.1------------------509------------------------------- 365------------------------------------------ $6.50/16.9oz

ATE Super Blue Racing Fluid---536------------------------------ 392------------------------------------------ $11.99/33.8oz

Valvoline Synpower-------------503------------------------------ 343------------------------------------------ $4.97/16.9oz

ATE SL---------------------------500------------------------------- 329 -------------------------------------------$7.95/16.9oz

Castrol LMA---------------------450------------------------------- 311-------------------------------------------- $3.50/16.9oz

AP 551--------------------------528------------------------------- 288-------------------------------------------- $12.50/16.9oz

Wilwood 570--------------------573------------------------------ 313--------------------------------------------- $10.37/12oz

Wilwood EXP 600 Plus----------626------------------------------ 417--------------------------------------------- $20.25/16.5oz

Wilwood FIVE-------------------500------------------------------- 356--------------------------------------------- $14.03/12oz

AMSOIL 500 DOT3-------------525 --------------------------------313--------------------------------------------- $7.20/12oz

AMSOIL 600 DOT4-------------580--------------------------------- 410-------------------------------------------- $13.60/12oz

Brembo LCF 600 Plus----------601---------------------------------- 399-------------------------------------------- $19.95/500ml

Brembo SPORT.EVO 500++---520---------------------------------- 336-------------------------------------------- $8.99/250ml

US Brake Ultra HTX-------------618--------------------------------- 421-------------------------------------------- $13.88/16.9oz



Here is one for Pagid Pads different materials.
PAGID Racing

PAGID Racing

RS 4-2-1 – BLACK Friction Level Cold 0.36
At 100 C 0.38
At 300 C 0.42
Max 0.45 @ 500 C
Constant working temperature 300 - 500 C
Max temperature for short period only 550 C

RS 4-2 – BLUE Friction Level Cold 0.40
At 100 C 0.42
At 300 C 0.43
Max 0.46 @ 550 C
Constant working temperature 350 - 600 C
Max temperature for short period only 650 C


RS 4-4 – ORANGE Friction Level Cold 0.39
At 100 C 0.40
At 300 C 0.43
Max 0.49 @ 600 C
Constant working temperature 350 - 650 C
Max temperature for short period only 700 C


RS 14 – BLACK Friction Level Cold 0.44
At 100 C 0.47
At 300 C 0.49
Max 0.54 @ 600 C
Constant working temperature 400 - 700 C
Max temperature for short period only 800 C


RS 15 – GRAY Friction Level Cold 0.50
At 100 C 0.54
At 300 C 0.57
Max 0.62 @ 600 C
Constant working temperature 400 - 800 C
Max temperature for short period only 900 C


RS 19 – YELLOW Friction Level Cold 0.40
At 100 C 0.43
At 300 C 0.47
Max 0.49 @ 550 C
Constant working temperature 400 - 700 C
Max temperature for short period only 750 C
More pad references....
Raybestos;
http://porterfield-brakes.com/images/raycomp2008_11_06_03_35_07.pdf
Performance friction;
http://porterfield-brakes.com/images/pfccomp2009_02_13_12_21_02.pdf
Porterfield;
http://porterfield-brakes.com/images/portrace2008_11_06_02_43_53.pdf

More brake fluid reference;

Motul RBF 600
Boiling Point Wet 421 Dry 594
Motul RBF 660
Boiling Point Wet 399 Dry 617
Motul 5.1
Boiling Point Wet 365 Dry 522
BREMBO LCF600+
Boiling Point Wet 399 Dry 601
Castrol SRF
Boiling Point Wet 518 Dry 590
ATE Super Blue
Boiling Point Wet 392 Dry 536



More Hawk pad info;
http://porterfield-brakes.com/images/hawkracecomp2008_11_06_03_05_05.pdf

Stop tech brake technical pages good info here;
Technical White Papers

Here are a few general rules about how changes to your car can affect its handling.
Adjustment ---------- More Understeer ----------- More Oversteer

Front tire pressure -------- Lower----------------- Higher
Rear tire pressure---------- Higher--------------- Lower
Front tire section----------- Smaller ------------- Larger
Rear tire section ----------- Larger ------------ Smaller
Front wheel width --------- Narrower ---------- Wider
Rear wheel width ----------- Wider------------- Narrower
Front wheel camber-------- More positive ------ More negative
Rear wheel camber-------- More negative------- More positive
Front springs--------------- Stiffer---------------- Softer
Rear springs---------------- Softer---------------- Stiffer
Front sway bar------------- Thicker/stiffer-------- Thinner/softer
Rear sway bar ------------- Thinner/softer-------- Thicker/stiffer
Weight distribution -------- More forward--------- More rearward
Front aerodynamics-------- More downforce------ Less downforce
Rear aerodynamics-------- Less downforce------ More downforce
 
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Now if only any of these were out for the ST :)
Hawks has a ton of choices, others will follow. Its just a matter of applying the friction material to the proper shape plate for production. The friction material is the same on all the HP+ pads no matter what car it was made for, only the shape of the pad and the backing plate are different.


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Sorry none of those fit. They are for older ST's. I tried as did a few others to no avail. For some reason the aftermarket have been dragging their feet at getting backing plates to use as templates. Porterfield has a set available, but for $300. Sorry too costly.

Hawks has a ton of choices, others will follow. Its just a matter of applying the friction material to the proper shape plate for production. The friction material is the same on all the HP+ pads no matter what car it was made for, only the shape of the pad and the backing plate are different.


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Sorry none of those fit. They are for older ST's. I tried as did a few others to no avail. For some reason the aftermarket have been dragging their feet at getting backing plates to use as templates. Porterfield has a set available, but for $300. Sorry too costly.
Carbotech should have something soon..
 

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I have my old pads off my car...Yeah, at the last track day I destroyed the front pads. Actually, I'll blame torque vectoring as it was trying it's best to keep the inside tire from spinning and get the car turned. I'd be willing to ship them to an aftermarket vendor to have them made.

Carbotech should have something soon..
 

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For the list of brake fluid specs:
The OEM Motorcraft High Performance Brake Fluid has 500 deg F dry boiling point and 284 deg wet boiling point, according to my local Ford Dealer.
 

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For the list of brake fluid specs:
The OEM Motorcraft High Performance Brake Fluid has 500 deg F dry boiling point and 284 deg wet boiling point, according to my local Ford Dealer.
Wow, about 117* lower than Motul RBF 660... interesting definition of "high performance brake fluid"
 

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For the list of brake fluid specs:
The OEM Motorcraft High Performance Brake Fluid has 500 deg F dry boiling point and 284 deg wet boiling point, according to my local Ford Dealer.
I don't think thats what the ST comes with stock. The way people describe the pedal going to the floor indicates boiling fluid.

Wow, about 117* lower than Motul RBF 660... interesting definition of "high performance brake fluid"
Compared to the brake fluid that comes in most cars that is "high performance".

MFG's have this annoying habit of building the insane cars and not spec'ing out proper brake systems. Sure they now get big enough rotors, but then they skimp out on fluid or pad choices. Pads I can see as they can be rough on the rotors and not all that street friendly at times. But good fluid? Yeah, it should be equipped with a good fluid from the get go.
 

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MFG's have this annoying habit of building the insane cars and not spec'ing out proper brake systems. Sure they now get big enough rotors, but then they skimp out on fluid or pad choices. Pads I can see as they can be rough on the rotors and not all that street friendly at times. But good fluid? Yeah, it should be equipped with a good fluid from the get go.
Aaaand some learn the hard way
 

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Taking street car to track and expecting it to perform on track without any testing is and going all out is.. insane.
That's just it - they do the lightning lap annually, so you would think the track-spec NISMO 370z would stop like the rest...
 

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Is the Motul 660 a good fluid to use for DD and occasional AutoX use?
 

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OK so it is pad time. Trying to make choices, but what is available in the US is new to me. So without have to export pads from Europe, lets get down to some suggestions to GREAT track pads. I can drive track pads on the street, I have done it for years on several cars. Ferodo still does not have a listing for DS2500 or I would be all over these. EBC I learned the hard way are not good, twice. ATE Super Blue I have stocked up in the garage and once the speed bleeders are on, I will change over to it. So my only interest is pure stopping power after up to temp. Hell even the OEM pads have to come to temp sometimes when I drive, so temp is irrelevant, it all has to come up to work. So let me know. Rotors are not an issue right now as I WILL be ordering these from Europe unless Brembo NA finally releases the ones I want in the NA market.
 

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My track setup (hypothetically of course...my car will NEVER see track use...) is CarboTech XP10 (if you run r-comps then I would use the XP12) in the front and CarboTech 1521 in the rear. Since the rear brakes do so little of the work, there is no need to go over the top with rear pads. Over the past weekend I swapped in Motul 660 fluid just to be safe.
 

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A fluid change and brake bleed is a good idea before a track day. Using Speedbleeders makes this a fast one man job. I use the Valvoline Synthetic which is relatively cheap and easy to find. Just about any dry brake fluid will out perform just about any wet brake fluid. If your brake fluid ain't clear anymore it ain't dry.
 

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My track setup (hypothetically of course...my car will NEVER see track use...) is CarboTech XP10 (if you run r-comps then I would use the XP12) in the front and CarboTech 1521 in the rear. Since the rear brakes do so little of the work, there is no need to go over the top with rear pads. Over the past weekend I swapped in Motul 660 fluid just to be safe.
Why no track use? It's kinda like saying you've got your favorite running shoes but will never go running ;)
 

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My track setup (hypothetically of course...my car will NEVER see track use...) is CarboTech XP10 (if you run r-comps then I would use the XP12) in the front and CarboTech 1521 in the rear. Since the rear brakes do so little of the work, there is no need to go over the top with rear pads. Over the past weekend I swapped in Motul 660 fluid just to be safe.

you want the same material on all 4 corners. Having operating temperatures differ from front to rear can be dangerous on top of not performing well.
 
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