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    Brake Pad and Fluid information for Track Days.

    This info came from the MFBA's forum, and its great. Some of it is F-body related and I will go through and strip out the F-body stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wrencher View Post
    Maximum
    Temperature (F) Pad Compound Selection Guide*

    Up to 750F Most Semi-Metallic Street Pads including:
    - Ferodo DS2500
    - Hawk HPS
    - Hawk HP Plus
    - Hawk DTC-05
    - PFC Carbon Metallic
    - PFC Z-Rated
    - Rofren Ultima Street
    - Rofren Euro-Select
    - Rofren Street Performance

    750F -1000F Street Performance / Limited Track
    use pads including:
    - Ferodo DS2500
    - Ferodo 4003
    - Hawk HP Plus
    - Hawk Black
    - Hawk DTC-30
    - Hawk DR-97
    - PFC Z-Rated
    - Rofren Street Performance
    - Raybestos ST-38
    - Raybestos ST-43

    1000F -1250F Intermediate Race Pads including:
    - Ferodo DS3000
    - Ferodo DS1-11
    - Hawk Blue 9012
    - Hawk MT4 Blue
    - Hawk HT10
    - Hawk DTC-60
    - Hawk DTC-70
    - PFC 97 Compound
    - PFC 01 Compound
    - Raybestos ST-42
    - Raybestos ST-43
    1250F+

    Ultra-High Temperature Race Pads including:
    - Ferodo DS3000
    - Ferodo DS3000+
    - Ferodo DS3000 Endurance
    - Ferodo DS1-11
    - Hawk HT10
    - Hawk HT14
    - Hawk HT15
    - Hawk DTC-60
    - Hawk DTC-70
    - PFC 01 Compound
    - PFC 03 Compound
    - Raybestos ST-41
    - Raybestos ST-42
    - Raybestos ST-43

    *The preceding information is provided as a general guide only.
    Each pad compound may have other substantially varying factors such as friction level (mu) and torque characteristics.
    These factors, in addition to operating temperature range, should be considered when making pad compound choices for your specific application.

    -----M3 used as price reference below-----

    I've also added a "Paint Killer" column that indicates the pads either have dust that sticks like powder-coating if it gets wet, or they give off glowing embers that will pit your car and wheel paint. If there is a Y in this column I would strongly discourage you from using these on anything other than a race car.

    Note, Hawk does not publish CoEff of Friction numbers since they think they are misleading.

    Price for M3 should be about the same for 330Ci. Price is for font + rear unless noted.

    ----------------------USD F&R-----Coefficient-Fade-----Paint----Rotor
    Pad-------------------for M3------of Friction-Temp F---Killer?--Wear
    AXXIS Deluxe-----------$86--------??-----------716-------N------Very Low
    AXXIS Ultimate--------$128--------0.46---------932-------N------Low
    Carbotech Panther-----$273--------0.54--------1250-------N------??
    Carbotech XP8---------$311--------0.58--------1350-------N------??
    Carbotech XP9---------$311--------0.60--------1400-------N------Low
    Carbotech XP10--------$343--------0.60+-------1600-------N------??
    Carbotech XP11--------$343--------0.60++------1600+------N------??
    Ferodo DS2500---------$288 -------0.50--------1000-------N------Low
    Ferodo DS3000---------$404 -------0.62--------1382-------Y------Extreme when Cold
    Hawk Blue-------------$285--------Medium------1100-------Y------Low Hot, Extreeme Cold
    Hawk HT-10------------$337--------High--------1400-------N------Moderate
    Hawk HT-14------------$189Front---Very High---1600-------N------Moderate/High
    Hawk DTC-70-----------$224Front---High--------???--------?------?
    Mintex Xtreme---------$????-------0.5-0.55----1300-------N------Moderate
    PF97------------------$248Front---Med High----2000-------Y------Low
    PF01------------------$455--------Very High---2000-------N------Very Low
    Pagid Blue------------$377--------0.49--------1202-------N------??
    Pagid Orange RS4-4----$377--------0.53--------1292-------N------Very Low
    Pagid Black RS14------$397--------0.54--------1472-------N------Low
    Pagid DrkBlu RS4-2-1--$311--------0.45---------932-------N------Low
    Pagid Grey RS15-------$465--------0.62--------1652-------N------??
    Pagid Yellow RS19-----$429--------0.49--------1382-------N------Low
    Porterfield R4--------$340--------0.50--------????-------N------High
    Williams F1.10--------$320--------0.62--------1760-------N------??

    Quote Originally Posted by Wrencher View Post
    More....
    Another pad chart;
    http://www.zenithmotorsports.com/doc..._reference.pdf


    BRAKE FLUID comparison chart;
    http://www.zenithmotorsports.com/doc...rake_fluid.pdf
    FLUID------------- DRY BOILING POINT(*F) -----------WET BOILING POINT (*F)--------------------SUGGESTED MSRP ($/VOLUME)
    AP Super 600---------------590-------------- -------------------410------------------------------------------ $18.00/16.9oz

    Castrol SRF------------------590-------------------------------- 518------------------------------------------- $69.99/33.8oz

    NEO Super DOT 610----------598 ------------------------------421-------------------------------------------- $15.00/12oz

    Motul Racing Brake Fluid 600--593------------------------------ 420------------------------------------------ $15.00/16.9oz

    Motul DOT 5.1------------------509------------------------------- 365------------------------------------------ $6.50/16.9oz

    ATE Super Blue Racing Fluid---536------------------------------ 392------------------------------------------ $11.99/33.8oz

    Valvoline Synpower-------------503------------------------------ 343------------------------------------------ $4.97/16.9oz

    ATE SL---------------------------500------------------------------- 329 -------------------------------------------$7.95/16.9oz

    Castrol LMA---------------------450------------------------------- 311-------------------------------------------- $3.50/16.9oz

    AP 551--------------------------528------------------------------- 288-------------------------------------------- $12.50/16.9oz

    Wilwood 570--------------------573------------------------------ 313--------------------------------------------- $10.37/12oz

    Wilwood EXP 600 Plus----------626------------------------------ 417--------------------------------------------- $20.25/16.5oz

    Wilwood FIVE-------------------500------------------------------- 356--------------------------------------------- $14.03/12oz

    AMSOIL 500 DOT3-------------525 --------------------------------313--------------------------------------------- $7.20/12oz

    AMSOIL 600 DOT4-------------580--------------------------------- 410-------------------------------------------- $13.60/12oz

    Brembo LCF 600 Plus----------601---------------------------------- 399-------------------------------------------- $19.95/500ml

    Brembo SPORT.EVO 500++---520---------------------------------- 336-------------------------------------------- $8.99/250ml

    US Brake Ultra HTX-------------618--------------------------------- 421-------------------------------------------- $13.88/16.9oz



    Here is one for Pagid Pads different materials.
    PAGID Racing

    PAGID Racing

    RS 4-2-1 – BLACK Friction Level Cold 0.36
    At 100 C 0.38
    At 300 C 0.42
    Max 0.45 @ 500 C
    Constant working temperature 300 - 500 C
    Max temperature for short period only 550 C

    RS 4-2 – BLUE Friction Level Cold 0.40
    At 100 C 0.42
    At 300 C 0.43
    Max 0.46 @ 550 C
    Constant working temperature 350 - 600 C
    Max temperature for short period only 650 C


    RS 4-4 – ORANGE Friction Level Cold 0.39
    At 100 C 0.40
    At 300 C 0.43
    Max 0.49 @ 600 C
    Constant working temperature 350 - 650 C
    Max temperature for short period only 700 C


    RS 14 – BLACK Friction Level Cold 0.44
    At 100 C 0.47
    At 300 C 0.49
    Max 0.54 @ 600 C
    Constant working temperature 400 - 700 C
    Max temperature for short period only 800 C


    RS 15 – GRAY Friction Level Cold 0.50
    At 100 C 0.54
    At 300 C 0.57
    Max 0.62 @ 600 C
    Constant working temperature 400 - 800 C
    Max temperature for short period only 900 C


    RS 19 – YELLOW Friction Level Cold 0.40
    At 100 C 0.43
    At 300 C 0.47
    Max 0.49 @ 550 C
    Constant working temperature 400 - 700 C
    Max temperature for short period only 750 C
    Quote Originally Posted by Wrencher View Post
    More pad references....
    Raybestos;
    http://porterfield-brakes.com/images...6_03_35_07.pdf
    Performance friction;
    http://porterfield-brakes.com/images...3_12_21_02.pdf
    Porterfield;
    http://porterfield-brakes.com/images...6_02_43_53.pdf

    More brake fluid reference;

    Motul RBF 600
    Boiling Point Wet 421 Dry 594
    Motul RBF 660
    Boiling Point Wet 399 Dry 617
    Motul 5.1
    Boiling Point Wet 365 Dry 522
    BREMBO LCF600+
    Boiling Point Wet 399 Dry 601
    Castrol SRF
    Boiling Point Wet 518 Dry 590
    ATE Super Blue
    Boiling Point Wet 392 Dry 536



    More Hawk pad info;
    http://porterfield-brakes.com/images...6_03_05_05.pdf

    Stop tech brake technical pages good info here;
    Technical White Papers

    Here are a few general rules about how changes to your car can affect its handling.
    Adjustment ---------- More Understeer ----------- More Oversteer

    Front tire pressure -------- Lower----------------- Higher
    Rear tire pressure---------- Higher--------------- Lower
    Front tire section----------- Smaller ------------- Larger
    Rear tire section ----------- Larger ------------ Smaller
    Front wheel width --------- Narrower ---------- Wider
    Rear wheel width ----------- Wider------------- Narrower
    Front wheel camber-------- More positive ------ More negative
    Rear wheel camber-------- More negative------- More positive
    Front springs--------------- Stiffer---------------- Softer
    Rear springs---------------- Softer---------------- Stiffer
    Front sway bar------------- Thicker/stiffer-------- Thinner/softer
    Rear sway bar ------------- Thinner/softer-------- Thicker/stiffer
    Weight distribution -------- More forward--------- More rearward
    Front aerodynamics-------- More downforce------ Less downforce
    Rear aerodynamics-------- Less downforce------ More downforce
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    Now if only any of these were out for the ST

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotheron View Post
    Now if only any of these were out for the ST
    Hawks has a ton of choices, others will follow. Its just a matter of applying the friction material to the proper shape plate for production. The friction material is the same on all the HP+ pads no matter what car it was made for, only the shape of the pad and the backing plate are different.


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    Sorry none of those fit. They are for older ST's. I tried as did a few others to no avail. For some reason the aftermarket have been dragging their feet at getting backing plates to use as templates. Porterfield has a set available, but for $300. Sorry too costly.

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdgen89gta View Post
    Hawks has a ton of choices, others will follow. Its just a matter of applying the friction material to the proper shape plate for production. The friction material is the same on all the HP+ pads no matter what car it was made for, only the shape of the pad and the backing plate are different.


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    Quote Originally Posted by acbauza View Post
    Sorry none of those fit. They are for older ST's. I tried as did a few others to no avail. For some reason the aftermarket have been dragging their feet at getting backing plates to use as templates. Porterfield has a set available, but for $300. Sorry too costly.
    Carbotech should have something soon..

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    I have my old pads off my car...Yeah, at the last track day I destroyed the front pads. Actually, I'll blame torque vectoring as it was trying it's best to keep the inside tire from spinning and get the car turned. I'd be willing to ship them to an aftermarket vendor to have them made.

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    For the list of brake fluid specs:
    The OEM Motorcraft High Performance Brake Fluid has 500 deg F dry boiling point and 284 deg wet boiling point, according to my local Ford Dealer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soccer2 View Post
    For the list of brake fluid specs:
    The OEM Motorcraft High Performance Brake Fluid has 500 deg F dry boiling point and 284 deg wet boiling point, according to my local Ford Dealer.
    Wow, about 117* lower than Motul RBF 660... interesting definition of "high performance brake fluid"

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    Discount Performance Brakes - Brake Pads & Brake Rotors- RACEShopper.com

    If Hawk makes it, these guys will get you a great price on them. Been doing business with them for years, more so in early track days, where we had dedicated set of pads n rotors for the track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soccer2 View Post
    For the list of brake fluid specs:
    The OEM Motorcraft High Performance Brake Fluid has 500 deg F dry boiling point and 284 deg wet boiling point, according to my local Ford Dealer.
    I don't think thats what the ST comes with stock. The way people describe the pedal going to the floor indicates boiling fluid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drewster View Post
    Wow, about 117* lower than Motul RBF 660... interesting definition of "high performance brake fluid"
    Compared to the brake fluid that comes in most cars that is "high performance".

    MFG's have this annoying habit of building the insane cars and not spec'ing out proper brake systems. Sure they now get big enough rotors, but then they skimp out on fluid or pad choices. Pads I can see as they can be rough on the rotors and not all that street friendly at times. But good fluid? Yeah, it should be equipped with a good fluid from the get go.
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